January 25, 2015 at 8:45 am
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I am doing some researches on the Mosquito n° NS 504 shot down on August 6th 1944.
I found on the crash area some small parts of it.
Could somebody help me to identify them, more particularly the parts n° 1-2-4-5 as the n° 6-7-8-9 are only dissolved aluminum.
Thanks very much in advance for your help.
By: pr16 - 29th January 2015 at 20:41
Ed, thank you very much.
I have no other parts with identification number. Normally, I should be able to make some further researches in November.
I do hope that it will be possible to contact you again at that time. Thanks again for your help.
Kind Regards
Jean François
By: powerandpassion - 29th January 2015 at 09:16
Difficile
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Thanks for your email and for the identifications and the photos. This will allow me to despatch these parts to the members of the families upon a commemoration to be organized in June.
Could you please help me again by identifying these 2 photos of the same part that I am sending you attached.
Thanks in advance.
Jean François
Jean François,
Very difficult for me to identify. It looks like an inspection stamp, but deHavilland inspection stamps often have a DH. I cannot identify a likely part by the shape. It may be a camera part or telecommunications part, perhaps somebody will recognize the inspection stamp.
If you have any other parts with numbers please show the photos.
Kind regards,
Ed
By: pr16 - 28th January 2015 at 20:39
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Thanks for your email and for the identifications and the photos. This will allow me to despatch these parts to the members of the families upon a commemoration to be organized in June.
Could you please help me again by identifying these 2 photos of the same part that I am sending you attached.
Thanks in advance.
Jean François
By: powerandpassion - 27th January 2015 at 06:10
Breeze plug
Here is an example of a Breeze plug used in the electrical system. Your example is a male plug, typical of the radio system.
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Again, anything with part numbers will give you a more accurate identification.
Ed
By: powerandpassion - 27th January 2015 at 06:05
Parts ID
Jean Francois,
Thank you for the detail of the mission, you have obviously put a lot of research in and I congratulate you on making history come alive. Tres Bien !
Below are some parts which may relate to your finds :
This is the thermostat for the Merlin engine, it sat in the wings with the radiator. The small section with thread looks like part of the thermostat housing. On the thread gauge, this is 14 TPI BSW thread, which may help confirm the piece if you can get a BSW thread gauge.
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This is the magneto switch which shows some braided cable similar to your example
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This shows a hydraulic ram which shows some hydraulic piping and fitting similar to your part 10
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This is a drawing of the sliding cockpit window, your part 5 may be part 32 in the drawing.
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By: pr16 - 26th January 2015 at 17:32
Thanks very much for your kind reply.
I send you below the story of this mission :
“In July and August 1944, numerous bombings took place in the Rhone Valley. Bombers were coming from Foggia area in Italy, where was located the 15th US Air Force.
This Sunday, August 6, 1944, the weather is mild in England. The weather was clear. According to our sources in Lyons the outside temperature is 13°, the day will be beautiful and sunny with 20.2° on average and 27° maximum.
This morning at 9:00, the De Havilland Mosquito – PRXVI n / s NS504 – took off from Benson with Jack Stanley John Towsey as pilot and Richard John Kingham as navigator. Their mission : a photo reconnaissance in central France according to Benson-Orleans-Sens-Lyons-Tours-Orleans-Lyons circuit, for the second time and back to Benson.
That morning, in Foggia’s area, Italy, others planes had left for a bombing mission over the Rhône Valley and Lyons. In San Giovani and Stormara, B24 Liberator bombers got ready to take off. And, in San Severro area, P51 Mustangs were going to escort and protect the B24 planes.
It is around 10.00 am. John and Richard had already flown over Orleans and Sens. They were about to or they had already made their first turn over Lyons before the bombing. Then, they will fly back over Tours and Orleans and will return over Lyons, before returning home.
This information is not confirmed. But, it seems to be a likely one :
Suddenly, one or more US P51 Mustangs had mistaken the Mosquito with a German 410 Messerschmitt aircraft. Shot in the wing and at the left engine, the Mosquito has probably plunged to escape its enemies.
Eyewitnesses told me that they have seen some aircrafts attacking the on fire Mosquito at low altitude but nobody saw the crash.
According to an eyewitness, outside Gaboureaux’s village, was lying down on the ground, died, Richard John Kingham. An engine (probably the left one), had been found 1,000 meters away from Richard and the aircraft left debris in its flight axis before crash.
From what was found on the ground and from various writings, it might be thought that the Mosquito, attacked at altitude was reached on the left engine which caught fire. John, the pilot, plunged to escape his enemies. He probably had tried to land in emergency, still pursued by aircrafts. Now I think that this attack was probably made by German.
When flying over Gaboureaux’s village, either engine or wing has exploded. Then the left engine broke away. Richard has probably been ejected (he still carried his radio equipment).
The unbalanced and on fire aircraft turned right and then crashed 1,000 meters away. The left engine carried on and fell close to the road. Of course, nobody seems to confirm that, but if appears to be credible enough.
The following day, Germans came with two new coffins which will not be used. Richard and John, at first were buried in La Guillotière’s cemetery in Lyons. Then they were transferred to La Doua’s cemetery, still in Lyons, on October 20th, 1956. They are currently buried side by side in the square C, of the 39 British, Canadian and Australian pilots and crew graves. They are buried in the 3rd row, places 2 and 3.
That sums up the highlights of that tragic day.
Just for information, this Mosquito NS 504 is the one which found and took photos of the Tirpitz in July 1944. The Tirpitz has been attacked by Lancaster aircrafts in November 1944.”
I will send you in the next coming days 2 parts with some identification number but not 98.
Jean François
By: powerandpassion - 26th January 2015 at 09:09
Few guesses
PR16, welcome.
ID is difficult, pieces are very small with not much other context around them. The soil looks like fine clay, so may explain why everything is shattered into tiny pieces, or perhaps the main wreckage was taken away and only these micro pieces remain.
1. looks like a male Breeze plug, shielded, part of the radio system, Breeze plugs are generic, but certainly used in Mosquito.
2. may be part of the oil sump pan from a Merlin engine
5. is a guess, but may be a fitting on the bottom of the opening/sliding window of the canopy, tecalemit greaser facing inboard.
Immediately under 8 is a coarse threaded section which has the look of an Avimo threaded collar on the cooling system, maybe part of the thermostat.
In the bottom left hand corner is braided cable from the ignition leads between the magneto and sparkplugs
Above this is a length of hydraulic fluid pipe with coupling nut.
A lot of this is generic, except for 5. If you find any part numbers with 98 in them then you have a definite Mosquito part. List any part numbers you have and I may be able to provide a definite identification.
Thank you for posting, share the story of the mission and pilots of NS 504 when you can.
Ed