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Identify type of Spitfire

Hi all,

A Facebook entry contains a picture of a Spitfire. To me it looks like a typical “prototype shot” but is there anyone out there who recognize it and is able to tell which mark-number it is?

Copyright: Ben Allen Photography

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By: Christer - 30th April 2020 at 09:48

R6915, I didn’t search for “Ben Allen” since I assumed too many hits (and I was right) but for “Ben Allen Photography”. I just wanted to check that I didn’t give credit to someone who isn’t entitled to it but I still don’t know – just taking the word of a stranger … ? … and I’ll leave it at that!

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By: R6915 - 29th April 2020 at 15:58

Christer, As I said before I did just trip across the image. How I got to it I do not recall. I have just had a go at retracing my mouse moves of yesterday for some time but without any success.  However, I did find from a Ben Allen general search in Facebook, a Bristol area photographer who includes some aviation photography on his Facebook page. The https address link is a lengthy one but here it is.  

https://www.facebook.com/ben.allen.1422409?__tn__=%2CdlC-R-R&eid=ARD5OG…

But this site was NOT the one I found the image on and that image does not seem to  come up in his portfolio that I could find. 

I guess you are also likely to know of another Facebook group about matters Spitfire,  but just in case.         Supermarine Spitfire Historical Society the Link being:-  https://www.facebook.com/groups/658872614173150/?epa=SEARCH_BOX 

Before you ask, I am pretty sure that the image did NOT come from this group or a route out from it. Sorry not to be more help but I’m not a Facebook fan and getting around seems to be a voyage of wrong turns on the rare occasions I approach it .

Let us know what you can find. Good Hunting

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By: Christer - 29th April 2020 at 10:26

By the way: The “Facebook entry” and the identity of the aircraft was discussed in a private group and the link that was the initiation of the discussion is this one:

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1805850316216583&set=a.31057903574…

Ben Allen Photography and copyright is not mentioned but “Aero-Pictures” is.

So, again, please post a link to Ben Allen, his picture and his statement.

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By: Christer - 29th April 2020 at 09:33

Just tripped across this image on Facebook.

I did a search on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=Ben%20Allen%20Photography

I can’t tell who it is. Do you have a link to his picture and the statement?

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By: Christer - 29th April 2020 at 09:10

but said Mr Allen has issued a comment saying words to the effect of …”either attribute it to me, or delete it”

I didn’t find any note about “copyright” where I found the original discussion and the picture but I’ve added it here!

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By: R6915 - 28th April 2020 at 15:44

Just tripped across this image on Facebook. It should be attributed to Ben Allen Photography.

Further details unknown to me, but said Mr Allen has issued a comment saying words to the effect of …”either attribute it to me, or delete it”.

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By: Christer - 27th April 2020 at 08:31

Thanks ? !

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By: Christer - 26th April 2020 at 17:13

There is a picture of AB910 on zap16.com (image number imgp7909) that matches the above right down to the whip aerial.

I searched for “image number imgp7909”, “imgp7909” and any other combination but nothing found.

 

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By: Patagonian - 26th April 2020 at 13:28

There is a picture of AB910 on zap16.com (image number imgp7909) that matches the above right down to the whip aerial.

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By: Ant.H - 25th April 2020 at 19:07

Looks to me like a relatively modern pic of AB910, she has a modern whip aerial under the starboard wing. She also has the correct Siamese exhausts which were only fitted in recent years. Seem to remember she flew regularly with this combo of four blade prop and Siamese exhausts when she was in 303sqn colours about ten years ago.

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By: Christer - 25th April 2020 at 16:59

Interesting thoughts, keep ’em coming guys!

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By: Sopwith - 25th April 2020 at 13:46

Yes it does look a bit Charles E Brown, and at that angle I can’t decide if it has extended wing tips in which case it could be a Mk VI. Just a thought.

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By: R6915 - 25th April 2020 at 12:10

Yes, I agree it might be AB910.  I have a couple of very (very) poor scratched mono snaps of it taken at Wisley in June / July 1956 (RAeS Garden Party) fitted with a four bladed propellor and a six branch exhaust.  The photos confirm no cannon shrouds, high gloss finish on top and underneath, and possibly a non standard spinner. I think this was only 9 or 10 months after it was rebuilt and located at Wisley for the next nine or ten years.

I also believe that later with the BBMF AB910 was again fitted with incorrect Merlin engine and a four blade prop because of a shortage of Merlins.  But that needs thorough checking!

In conversation with the enginer who rebuilt it at Vickers South Marston for Jeffrey Quill’s use on behalf of Vickers he said that the mark of Merlin and thus the prop was wrong and in order to meet a call from the company to get it flying he had to take what he could find.  R-R had nothing, and no other source could produce either. Note the year, 1954. Times have indeed changed!

So is it AB910? Looking at the photo it is very much in the style of Charles E Brown – to my thinking , anyway. If that thought is correct, then it is not likely to be AB910!

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By: Bradburger - 25th April 2020 at 02:27

AB910 sported such a set up.
That’s my guess.

Andy

Looks very much like AB910 to me as well!

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By: andrewclark - 24th April 2020 at 20:22

“Why are we all here?” asked the speaker, rhetorically – and a voice from the back said “Because we’re not all there!” – Not that I’m questioning our collective sanity…….?

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By: dhfan - 24th April 2020 at 16:48

I’m not sure anybody’s resident these days.

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By: Christer - 24th April 2020 at 16:15

A Canadian being first to Identify a particular Spitfire 😀

Well, your “guess” is probably far better than mine but I must admit that I was aiming at the resident Spitfire specialist, Peter Arnold. I don’t know if he’s still around?

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By: DH82EH - 24th April 2020 at 14:39

Have a look at this one Christer. Dated 2011.
Four blade prop, canons and bulges, I think this may be a winner.
If it is, then that really shows the sad state this forum is in. A Canadian being first to Identify a particular Spitfire 😀

Andy

https://www.flickr.com/photos/fjroll/8723408414

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By: Christer - 24th April 2020 at 12:51

Andy, would that be a in a”historical” photo or a more recent one?

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