July 16, 2005 at 11:03 pm
Just a thought…
How would the governments plan for the introduction of identity cards have helped foil the recent London bombing?
No spin, just asking.
Flood
By: Ren Frew - 17th July 2005 at 13:43
If the wallets are blown away by the blast etc, then who’t the ID card be blown away too? There are too many catch 22’s in this issue for my liking, so im against it in its present form.
BARNOWL
Maybe they could tattoo or brand us all with a bar code or number ? Or maybe that’s been tried already ? 🙁
By: Barnowl - 17th July 2005 at 10:08
If the government GAVE them to us then i could possibly see it in myself to carry it in my wallet. However, my issue is price. To charge 90 pounds for a compulsory card, when in all honesty a driving licence would do almost the same job, is a bit rich. Plus i expect we ALL know the British Government’s record on databases and IT systems recently. All overbudget, all late and none up to scratch. To have all of 65 million people registered would invite system crashes. Say you got pulled over by the police and your ID card was requested. You hand it over, but when they scan it, the systems down. What do they do? Keep you in chains until the systems sorted? Or let you go, which contravenes everything that the ID card wa suposed to protect.
Finally, if every other card is so easy to forge, how do we prove our identity when we get them in the first place? What would prove our identity to get the ID card? If anything then why do we need the card? I expect the cheque for £90 woulkd prove our identity…
In regards to the bombings and terrorism in general, how exactly would ID cards have helped, other to identifying bodies? Surely most people carry around their wallets which have licences in them to ID people. I carry a piece of paper with emergency numbers, addresses, organ doner consent number and my blood group. That should do to identify me in any situation. If the wallets are blown away by the blast etc, then who’t the ID card be blown away too? There are too many catch 22’s in this issue for my liking, so im against it in its present form.
BARNOWL
By: Arthur - 17th July 2005 at 09:09
I think Ren is spot on. While ID-cards are often politically sold because they are ment to prevent terror or crime, you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to realise that any half-witted terrorist or criminal can circumvent ID-nuisances. I can’t remember how often i’ve told a policeman booting me away from an airbase that my passport was “im visumanfrag.”
The real ‘bonus’ of ID’s is much more banal. Identification of bodies after an incident (be it an attack or accident) as long as the cards are strong enough, standard library membership procedures, an easy way to check for your local cornershop if you’re old enough to buy cigarettes, that sort of stuff.
By: Ren Frew - 17th July 2005 at 00:37
Well I suppose given enough ID cards in the one place, it may have made body identification a bit quicker?
And yes this is a flippant remark. 🙁
By: Grey Area - 16th July 2005 at 23:33
Now now…….. 😉
By: Deano - 16th July 2005 at 23:31
lol quick keep it locked 😉
By: Grey Area - 16th July 2005 at 23:21
Indeed not, Deano.
At least 3 of them were British subjects, born and bred…. they would already have ID cards under the Government’s current proposals.
Could this be the first “all-Mod” thread on GD? ;););)
By: Deano - 16th July 2005 at 23:17
How can it? these people were part of communities, well known, it was no secret that they were in this country, it’s not like they were 4 of the 500,000 illegal immigrants that are “at large” in the UK
By: Grey Area - 16th July 2005 at 23:04
In no way whatsoever.