By: Lincoln 7 - 28th March 2011 at 19:12
Linc – the media have a great Deal to answer for.:( So where were the water canons and CS Gas?
Fraid it’s the same old, same old, I’tl be alright attitude, and lack of contingency plans as usual.Wonder who will take the flack this time?.
Lincoln .7
By: cloud_9 - 28th March 2011 at 18:58
Sorry SH, I was making an “off-topic” comment in reference to what someone said in another post…
To explain my point though, GA said that the action that should be taken is to “identify the guilty individuals, and bring them to justice…”
Well, the last time I checked it was the banks that were a major contributing factor to the global financial crisis, and yet the authorities have chosen not to take action against them or the individuals in order to bring them to justice. Instead they get to walk away clutching their huge bonuses and act as if nothings happened, whilst the rest of us pay for their deceit and greed.
And in fact it has got something to do with it, albeit very loosely, as some banks were the target of some of the violence that was seen over the weekend.
By: Sky High - 28th March 2011 at 18:44
Shame this logic hasn’t been applied to the banks!:D:diablo:
What on earth has that got to do with it?
By: Sky High - 28th March 2011 at 18:43
Linc – the media have a great Deal to answer for.:( So where were the water canons and CS Gas?
By: cloud_9 - 28th March 2011 at 18:39
So your answer is to arbitrarily deem someone else to be guilty of these crimes, and punish them instead.
The only reasonable course of action is to identify the guilty individuals, and bring them to justice – which is exactly what the authorities are doing.
Shame this logic hasn’t been applied to the banks!:D:diablo:
By: Lincoln 7 - 28th March 2011 at 18:17
I would agree, in general, except to say that I am not sure how I would feel and react in those circumstances and but I would add that the use of tear gas or water hoses to quell a riot would be far preferable.
Sky High. I was at Orgreave, during the Miners strike, and on the worst day, Miners charged at us from up the hill to us at the bottom,with Telegraph poles, we didn’t have the C.S Gas, shields etc they have today, yes, I was frightened, as were many others, on both sides.We had not even riot helmets to protect us from bricks that were being thrown at us, only flat caps. When somewon in those days was aiming at your head with a pick axe handle, believe me, as far as I was concerned, anything went. You cannot even perceive the feelings, unless you have been in that situation. But in this day and age, far removed from the Miners strike, the Met and other Forces who helped them, there is no need to beat anyone to a pulp.A water cannon and tear gas would have sufficed.There were, from what I saw, enough Police there to “Down” one man, without the single officer pumelling him half to death.
I also blame some of the media who had cameras, T.V. movie cameras, etc, whoe’s very presence egged a lot of the rioters on, just by them filming and being there.
Lincoln .7
By: Sky High - 28th March 2011 at 17:49
I would agree, in general, except to say that I am not sure how I would feel and react in those circumstances and but I would add that the use of tear gas or water hoses to quell a riot would be far preferable.
By: Lincoln 7 - 28th March 2011 at 17:37
Whilst I do not agree with the Criminal Damage and looting that went on, and there was just no need for it, what about the Police Officer beating 3 tons of the proverbial out of one of the “Protestors”, the Met officers have a bad habit of removing their numbers off their uniforms, so it would be only facial recognition that could pin, that particular officer down.I think a lot go O.T.T. sometimes when there is no need.
Lincoln. 7
By: Grey Area - 28th March 2011 at 17:26
In an ideal world maybe, but the low-life doing the smashing up are not always found, or don’t have the financial means to put right their damage.
So your answer is to arbitrarily deem someone else to be guilty of these crimes, and punish them instead.
Which makes no sense, and makes a mockery of the rule of law and due process.
The only reasonable course of action is to identify the guilty individuals, and bring them to justice – which is exactly what the authorities are doing.
By: pagen01 - 27th March 2011 at 22:19
In my mind, the people responsible to cleaning up and paying for the damage should be the people who caused the damage, no?
In an ideal world maybe, but the low-life doing the smashing up are not always found, or don’t have the financial means to put right their damage.
Therefore the organisers that bang on about their freedom to demonstrate should at the least foot the massive policing bill before they even set foot on the streets. In this latest case the unions have plenty of their members money in the bank to pay for it.
I also think that they should retrospectively pay for looting damage incurred by by the criminals that they themselves can’t pay for.
Make no mistake, these ‘mid class liberals’ know exactly what happens when they persuade all types to join them before they go on a demonstration march, it is about time they shouldered the repair and protection costs.
By: PeeDee - 27th March 2011 at 20:52
Perhaps his eyes are watering too much for him to read the screen? 😎
I have a life. I got up to watch the F1. Bit boring that was!
Went to bed and then got up to have a day out with family…..that OK?
And, Lincoln7, I’m surprised an auld git like you needs to ask!
Didn’y your Mum use Stubbs Ammonia?
Ammonia. As already stated, a dilute of 50:1 will remove stains and kill ALL germs, not the 99% claimed by Domestos.
It degreases car parts, again a dilute (100:1) in a spray. Not whilst on the engine.
Removes all marks and germs from your laminate floor. Again, a dilute in warm watter of 100:1.
But, my main use for it is to clean the cooker parts. Remove all the parts of the cooker which need a clean (Including the glass – with those baked-on brown bits). Grills, metal filters from the hood, side plates (After the grills are out). Also add the Baking dishes which have the brown baked on stuff on.
Place all in a sturdy bin bag. The Gardening ones are best.
Place an old tea towl or large rag in the bottom of the bag. Soak this rag in ammonia, half a bottle. (125ml). Add a liberal sprinkling onto the items.
Seal up the bag with a knot.
Check after an hour that it is sealed – you will smell it if there is a leak.
Leave for at least 24 hours. Lets the fumes do the work.
Open AT ARMS LENGTH, and let the fumes go.
Remove items, wash in ordinary washing up liquid – no scrubbing required. The Sponge and the nylon brush will do.
The grills will come up showroom Chrome (Unless you’ve damaged it by previous scouring). The glass is actually the hardest to clean, may have to get your fingernails on some of the marks.
DO NOT BREATH THIS STUFF IN FOR LONGER THAN A WHIFF! It is a very powerful chemical and I think it is one of the heavy materials which doesn’t leave the body – like bleach.
There you go, edumicated!
By: Sky High - 27th March 2011 at 19:53
The figures (800 involved, 200 arrested) are irrelevant, the facts are that these marches end in disgusting and completely out of control behaviour and the damage or defacing of high profile public and private property.
The march organisers are well aware at the low-life element they have tagging on to the back of these demonstrations which in the last few times has been widely circulated on the internet.
In my mind the orgainsers should be then responsible for cleaning up and paying for the damage, and certainly paying for the massive policing of these events.
I have been suggesting something similar for years. In fact the punishment of those found guilty should literally fit the crime. You break a window, you help to repair it and instead of paying a fine to the court, compensation is paid directly to the owner of the premises vandalised.
I like the circularity of this in that the criminal causes damage to an object which represents the target of his protest then he has to pay compensation to the very organisation or individual he is protesting against.
By: ThreeSpool - 27th March 2011 at 19:52
In my mind the orgainsers should be then responsible for cleaning up and paying for the damage, and certainly paying for the massive policing of these events.
In my mind, the people responsible to cleaning up and paying for the damage should be the people who caused the damage, no?
By: cloud_9 - 27th March 2011 at 18:50
Quite agree pagen01, well said.:)
By: pagen01 - 27th March 2011 at 18:43
According to numbers being quoted by the Met, much less than half of one percent in fact…
The figures (800 involved, 200 arrested) are irrelevant, the facts are that these marches end in disgusting and completely out of control behaviour and the damage or defacing of high profile public and private property.
The march organisers are well aware at the low-life element they have tagging on to the back of these demonstrations which in the last few times has been widely circulated on the internet.
In my mind the orgainsers should be then responsible for cleaning up and paying for the damage, and certainly paying for the massive policing of these events.
By: Levsha - 27th March 2011 at 18:16
Isn’t ammonia sometimes used as a rocket fuel?:confused:
By: inkworm - 27th March 2011 at 17:56
perhaps he really did get the knock on the door!
By: Grey Area - 27th March 2011 at 16:20
I think that there is more to PeeDee than meets they eye on this, have you noticed he is keeping VERY stum on this?.
Lincoln .7
Perhaps his eyes are watering too much for him to read the screen? 😎
By: Sky High - 27th March 2011 at 15:12
He might just have very smelly drains………..:D
By: Lincoln 7 - 27th March 2011 at 15:01
He might have a nasty red wine stain that he wants to clean out of a carpet or, as it may be, a patch of mildew to eradicate.
I think that there is more to PeeDee than meets they eye on this, have you noticed he is keeping VERY stum on this?.
Lincoln .7
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