Indian Air Force : News and Discussion: 2019: Touch The Sky With Glory

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I don’t know why we are bothering to convince anyone publicly, the people who need to know have their estimates if pak say no one killed – good for them. Next time, we should drop 10x more while our bombs will kill only ants or trees. Also Adapt Air Force RoE, if we can lock any object- it should be fired at as we are not able to kill – neither terrorist, PA nor their planes. We have to try harder. Additionally we will encourage Afg and Iran – so that one martial race can fight another martial race.

while we do this, Pak can continue support terrorist groups with arms, training and money against all their neighbors as they don’t have balls to fight directly.

Yes, well, fighting directly isn’t really where they’ve proven themselves. The loss of East Pakistan and the surrender of 90,000 troops still rankles very deeply in the Pakistani Army and establishment. But using terror as a means to achieve their goals is where they excel.

And the Balakot strikes were for that- to show that India will no longer sit and watch idly when the next big terror strike backed by Pakistan occurs. Goal achieved.

Another side goal, make Pakistan step up its defence spending even more. Given the current state of their economy, the strategic goal could be to make the Pakistani state divert even more of its already very scarce resources to defence. With just 2 months worth of forex reserves, high inflation and subsidies likely being cut, and an IMF loan as a lifeline, it is actually in Pakistan’s interest to seek peace, not India’s.

Yes, we do because it finally proved to the world the truth about the Pakistani state’s perfidy. They were lying through their teeth, sheltering the MOST WANTED TERRORIST ON EARTH. Even while pretending to be fighting a war on terror.

Those who had any doubts about the nature of the Pakistani state saw those doubts vanish that day.

Cool. Just like the response to the FP article, I hope we will see a response from the concerned countries to the book (probably Pakistani sponsored) claiming that Mullah Omar was living in Afghanistan through and through. Perhaps these countries with highly capable intelligence units, who claimed he was based in Quetta are waiting for an English translation before they respond.

ps. Didn’t you tell me a few days ago that I was on your ignore list? Or do you have a temporary and permanent ignore lists?

On an aside, the venom of Indian citizens attacks on Lara Seligman’s twitter after she posted the news story was disheartening to read. She is a reporter, writing about information she received. The notion that the USG or Lockheed is behind a false report is absurd. The US isn’t trying to sell F-16’s to Pakistan, US foreign policy isn’t advocating a reproachment with Pakistan, the US and Pakistan are not allies and have suspended many previous defense arrangements. The US is courting India, Lockheed is trying to sell the F-16 to India, can someone explain how the US being complicit in Pakistan lying about losing an F-16 helps the US or Lockheed in regard to India?

That’s one reason I doubt you will see any official statements from the US state dept. or any other agency in regards to this incident. The above vague comments from DoD and State is about all I’d expect. We are not looking to cut off our nose to spite our face in regards to closer ties with India over positive/negative publicity regarding US weapon system that was designed in the 1970’s.

Well, she can come out and defend herself can’t she? Who exactly were her sources and she can then disprove the US Defence Department. Else, retract that story since she cannot back it up with evidence, the likes of which you and others expect from the Indian Govt.

Ever been to a village in Kashmir or India or Pakistan? Enlighten us as to what you think the reference to the “Sikh” pilot meant? IIRC I clarified it on the day this was previously brought up, but you may have forgotten.

Bearded. Basically the idea that if he was Indian and bearded, then he was Sikh.

Its a common misconception. Had he been Indian, the Pakistani state would’ve even paraded him in hospital or even his dead body to prove its point.

Or maybe, just maybe, all those eye-witnesses on the ground that stated that they saw multiple parachutes, and talked about having assaulted a “Sikh” pilot were actually stating the inconvenient truth

Ever been to a village in Kashmir or India or Pakistan? Enlighten us as to what you think the reference to the “Sikh” pilot meant? IIRC I clarified it on the day this was previously brought up, but you may have forgotten.

Considering I am on your ignore list (or am I not) you may want to ignore this.

It’s wonderful to see how people always bring OBL into into this. Well, only a few weeks back a new book claimed that Mullah Omar had stayed in Afghanistan throughout this period, and only a few clicks away from an American base. The book is currently being translated into English, but it would be interesting to see American, Indian and Afghanistan’s response who always claimed he was in Quetta. Let’s wait for the official response from these countries (there may be none now that Mullah Omar is dead), but it would be interesting.

Yes, we do because it finally proved to the world the truth about the Pakistani state’s perfidy. They were lying through their teeth, sheltering the MOST WANTED TERRORIST ON EARTH. Even while pretending to be fighting a war on terror.

Those who had any doubts about the nature of the Pakistani state saw those doubts vanish that day.

There was no investigation ‘like that’, just a routine end user management check. Good word play though.

Rubbish. The US DoD and Pentagon would know if any such “routine end user management” was done. The fact that they denied it happened basically rubbishes that report. “Unidentified sources”. We in India are very familiar with such unidentified sources. Mostly figments of the journo’s mind.

How many times have you dared expats to come to LOC or the border area to feel the reality? And when someone takes you up on your stupid dare, all you have is another essay and preconditions. Is this the best you can come up with?

The dare is not stupid. Its the reality of telling folks who are sitting far far away to actually relocate to Pakistan and then preach all your war cries. You keep trolling residents about being stupid, uncivilized etc, whilst at the same time, behaving exactly as they do, without even having skin in the game. At least they suffer the consequences of all their antics.

Get back to Pakistan, India etc from whichever western country you are in and then brag about Imran ji, Modi ji, the stupid Pakistanis, the stupid Indians.

Can you do that?

Not do some fly-by-night tour of the LOC with “my uncles 3rd cousin, from his 2nd family in Attock who is so powerful yaar they took me to LOC and showed me a post from their Toyota, it was so thrilling”.

I can assure you there are enough such accounts on youtube.

Enough with your essays and lectures. Either take me up on this (once again…you are already in India and Kashmir is an integral part of India where only a few Pakistani backed terrorists are creating all the oroblems…right?) or stop being so obsessive about expats and dolling out such stupid dares and lectures unless you have the courage to do what you preach.

Sorry, but until and unless you stop speaking out of both sides of your mouth on “stupid Indians and Pakistanis” while getting all bombastic about spouting the official Pakistani line 24/7, I will be quite nicely pointing out the sheer comedy in sitting far far away from a conflict zone, and then pretending to be a) oh so expert about it and knowing what’s happening on the ground and b ) talking about courage and this and that, while not even having the courage to return to Pakistan.

As i said, be courageous. Return to Pakistan. And then be the overly warmongering, patriotic Pakistani who can mock evil Modi-ji, praise Imran ji or any of the local politicians.

Perhaps if you are really courageous, and not too old, you can actually join and serve as Wing Commander Varthaman (that’s his rank BTW) or his Pakistani counterparts did.

It has been an extremely stupid off topic discussion, so I won’t say anymore. My apology to mods, who would probably have to clear it up.

Mine as well.

My knowledge of such things is rather limited. But from your informative essays over the years, I had expected PAF to have been obliterated after their stupid unsuccessful attack on India on the morning of 27 Feb. Obviously this did not happen and I salute Indian magnanimity for not teaching stupid pakistanis a lesson for downing their Mig-21. Perhaps India did not feel the need to do so because (as you said) Mig-21 is so close to retirement or perhaps Modi ji is waiting for the delivery of Rafale before IAF obliterates PAF (I think it was Modi Ji, who said to the effect that this would not have happened if IAF had Rafale…whatever that meant).

The Indian side decimated a Pakistani terrorist camp,, held off a Pakistani counter-attack & got their pilot back (for the loss of an obsolete fighter which they would have retired anyhow).

The Pakistani side loses vital terror assets which it was training & gets egg on its face with those asset’s handlers who are now upset with the ISI for their lack of protection. Loses an expensive, prized F-16, loses 4-5 AMRAAMs which are no longer “silver bullets” and also uses up a fair number of DENEL Raptors, carefully hoarded for such an event. Either which didn’t guide through, or which were jettisoned in panic as Mirage fighter bombers tried to avoid Mirage 2000s. Take your pick.

Now, given there was no successful strike on Indian assets, India has a choice. Escalate & have an all-out conflict. Or call it stops, since it anyway achieved its objective of hitting within Pakistan, for the 3rd time in a row, in a response to a terror attack.

Can you please inform me why, would the evil, dastardly, machiavellian, Modi-ji, waste any more time on further attacks into Pakistan, this time around, when his limited objectives have been met?

Now Modi-ji could definitely have been waiting for the Rafale. As the IAF will be taking delivery of 36x Rafale, 5 squadrons (i.e. 10 battalions) of the S-400, additional Su-30, Tejas etc. But I suspect his needs were more mundane. His doctrine, of hitting within Pakistan to avenge terror strikes within India, had been met with minimal cost, so why bother with further escalation?

Now, if your Pakistani Army strategists, decided to have a 4th attack inside India, then yes Modi-ji, the evil mastermind he is, has far more assets at hand within the next few years to conduct yet another strike.

But being an evil mastermind, Modi ji (and his establishment) may choose not to use the AF at all. He may well decide to use IA SF. Or do a Naval strike. Or even resort to open economic measures of force.

As the evil American Ashley Tellis noted in a recent informative essay recently, it is in the Indian establishment’s interest to a) Not become predictable and b) Not lock itself into a single course of action when responding to the threat of terrorism from Pakistan.

What he notes is important though, is that the doctrine of strategic, never ending restraint, is over. And as an Indian citizen (with my sorry hide/skin in the game) who was appalled that even after 26/11 terror attacks in Mumbai, conducted by Pakistani terrorists, the then pusillanimous Indian establishment chose to run to the US for “do something” rather than listen to its own Air Chief, I approve of this end to GOI’s illogical cowardice.

Thanks!

PS: I again request you to find out what’s happening on the LOC. Correlate that to the loss of revenue Pakistan had when it shut down its airspace to preserve aviation fuel etc, its overall impact on its economy, and then think about whether the course of current action for Pakistan is indeed sustainable. Hey, we didn’t shut down our airspace when Balakote/Feb27th occurred.

Food for thought? I suspect, the evil Modi-ji’s alien handlers too have come to the same realization viz. dealing with Pakistan. India doesn’t really need an all out war to cause Pakistan significant economic distress, or even military distress. Question is, who can sustain it better. Compare the respective nations economic indices.

Or Pakistan changes its policy on terror..

My friend, it is always easier said than done. But considering your obsession with expats and holier than thou style I will take you on this. Poona is the region where the Bison crashed. It is a mere few clicks from the LOC.[Right? I’ll post from there in a few days with proof. Are you willing to do the same from across the LOC (should be much easier for you considering you are not an expat)? No long essays needed. Just some images, which might also increase the knowledge of forum members when it comes to the geography of the area. I’ll risk the brutality of PA. Are you willing to risk the brutality of Kashmiris on Indian side of LOC?

Forget posting there with “proof ” ((c) “there were no F-16s ever ever DGISPR”) and running behind your Pakistani contacts and forum buddies for “proof” and then coming here and bragging about it.

Youtube is full of you expats coming back and being given some dog and pony show of the “region” and running off back to euro land when one call comes from the embassy or your boss says vacation is up.

Re-locate back to Pakistan and then pontificate about Pakistanis and Indians and advocate patriotism, war, etc etc.

Lets see you take me up on *that* more than your made up images and made up sanctimony and holier than thou “I am better than the rabid natives in that region” sorta shtick.

Give up your cushy pad whereever you have, relocate, and then give me the patriotic spiel. Right now, you are no better than some visa chaser spewing virtual war. Put some skin in the game.

Lets see if you can even get a job in your domain back in the superpower economic powerhouse that is Pakistan. Easy right?

Pakistani efficiency for the win.

Which proves my point about Pakistani efficiency because they found those motors and seeker heads in the same mountainous state. I just thought Indian forces, having successfully dodged several AMRAAMs, may have a decent notion of their whereabouts. Perhaps not.

Quite interesting indeed, because some of those were obtained from one wreckage, I leave it to you to decide which other wreckage the destroyed missiles were part of. That’s even assuming the DGISPRs images which miraculously turned up on twitter, re-arranged several times whenever questions were raised, are even accurate.

I am also amazed by your awareness of BVR combat. I didn’t know the Indian Su-30s (2 x of them), the Mirage 2000s (2x of them) and the Bisons (4 ) would break off trying to get nose hot on their Pakistani opponents and then go tracking where the AMRAAMs went. Its so silly of them to not have realized this.

And of course, Pakistani efficiency is amazing. As we all know about Pakistan the world leading economic power which dwarfs India in economic etc development, one soldier is equal to 10 Indians ..and Musharraf even said Pakistan is a space power and its satellites are better than India’s. We shouldn’t even debate this point! Its just what it is.

In honor of your point, I state this edifying quote from his sagacious highness.

“Pakistan’s space programme is now ahead of India after the formal launching of Paksat-I and this is due to the hard work of our scientists and I am sure Indians would take another 30 months to do the job,” Gen Musharraf claimed.

I am sure everything Pakistani is better than Indian stuff.

Oh btw, they knew they shot down an F-16D because that was the picture first used in articles when writing about an F-16 kill: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Air_Force#/media/File:Pakistani_F-16.jpg
Probably used that pic because it’s public domain…
Since that picture clearly shows an F-16D, it must have been an F-16D that got shot down. Obvious logic is obvious. :very_drunk:

Yes of course, the IAF does not operate any SIGINT assets above and beyond its AWACS to distinguish between the different types of F-16s. In fact, they don’t even know what F-16s look like, even though the current VCAS of the IAF first flew against F-16s in a friendly ME nation several decades back, and the RSAF, USAF have all been kind enough to cart their two seater F-16s to India several times over and India even has a recurring arrangment with the RSAF to have them use our airspace.

I am so glad you are on this forum Eagle to share your scintillating insights. Perhaps you can introduce the IAF to wikipedia as well.

My goodness. And here I was told by the DGISPR no less, that paragon of truth and objectivity, like our Pakistani expats that “No F-16s were used in the operation, no, never”, with that said how are the poor Indians supposed to find F-16 fragments?

And of course, in a state which is mostly mountainous, India should deploy its forces to find AMRAAM fragments.. because … because… that one AMRAAM doesn’t prove anything. Nothing.

The jews gave India the AMRAAM. The same way the PAF captured an IDFAF pilot and is keeping him captured.

Which proves my point about Pakistani efficiency because they found those motors and seeker heads in the same mountainous state. I just thought Indian forces, having successfully dodged several AMRAAMs, may have a decent notion of their whereabouts. Perhaps not.

You forgot to mention that Abhinandan’s Mig-21 went down because of mechanical failure.

Didn’t know that. Since you were flying with him on his wing, all the way from the (where exactly?), you know this for sure.

Pakistanis were stupid they should have painted the Turkish F-16 (that was in Pakistan on 23 March) green and used it to tally up the whole thing.

If they had, the incompetent DGISPR, the propaganda flack who got some medal recently, would have justified his award and made up for his gaffe revealing multiple pilots were down. Yet. Pakistan which frequently brags about its close relations with Turkey, Jordan, all Islamic nations, could not get a single Viper operator to lend it a single fighter for a few weeks..what a far cry from Jordan sending Pakistan fighters in secrecy in previous Indo-Pak wars.

On a side note, it was the ‘ordinary kashmiris’ who captured Abhinandan and handed him to Pakistan army. Do you still consider POK as integral part of India or would India be able to integrate Kashmiris from POK?

The Pakistani Army policies have brutalized and also literally changed the regions inhabitants into a rather violent, uncivilized bunch. So I can well appreciate the Counter Insurgency point of view of the Indian establishment which supports tactical ops and holds off from literally changing the border unless the ground situation demands it. Why burden yourself with another bunch of fanatical folks you have to de-radicalize?

You are often daring people to go and find out what’s happening on the LOC and so on. Are you willing to come to Kashmir yourself sir?

Been to Kashmir many times. Its easier when you are sitting in your country, and are not some expat sitting far far away, pretending to be oh so detached and simultaneously playing the “I am so patriotic game”. Do return to Pakistan. Perhaps it may open your eyes about the big picture above and beyond the great F-16.

Of course, WC Varthaman was so intensely observing an F-16 (he had just shot down) going down that he did not even realise his Mig-21 had developed a catastrophic failure or a missile was up his rear (take your pick). It must have been the excitement that he didn’t even realise he was in POK when surrounded by locals before being captured (though one cannot blame him for that).

Varthaman was too busy guiding a R73E up a F-16s rear to even deploy countermeasures in time to defeat an AMRAAM shot. However, that R73E shot seems to have definitely affected the rear of some expats who don’t seem to understand the AMRAAM would home where the RCS reflections were strongest, not necessarily the engine.

And after landing, he was bleeding, was assaulted by the oh-so-civilized Pakistani locals, who it seems also shared their love of their Air Force with some other pilots. Because as DGISPR tells us, one more pilot was in a hospital. Why?

Pakistanis are extremely efficient when it comes to finding small seeker heads and motors. Unfortunately our Indian friends have been so inefficient that they have been unable to find several intact AMRAAMs that were fired on that day (even after 5 weeks) apart from that single piece of AMRAAM with serial numbers and everything that fell on some poor villager’s head on the day.

My goodness. And here I was told by the DGISPR no less, that paragon of truth and objectivity, like our Pakistani expats that “No F-16s were used in the operation, no, never”, with that said how are the poor Indians supposed to find F-16 fragments?

And of course, in a state which is mostly mountainous, India should deploy its forces to find AMRAAM fragments.. because … because… that one AMRAAM doesn’t prove anything. Nothing.

The dastardly jews of the IDFAF gave India the AMRAAM. The same way the PAF captured an IDFAF pilot and is keeping him captured. Heard it from a Pakistani bigwig on TV.

Of course, WC Varthaman was so intensely observing an F-16 (he had just shot down) going down that he did not even realise his Mig-21 had developed a catastrophic failure or a missile was up his rear (take your pick). It must have been the excitement that he didn’t even realise he was in POK when surrounded by locals before being captured (though one cannot blame him for that).

[USER=”22286″]Teer[/USER]

ok Teer, Lara Seligman is lying and acting as an agent for L-M, Bellingcat is in league with Pakistan over doubts about strike efficacy. Most of the other world news organizations have taken sides and are lying for Pakistan over doubts about GoI & Indian media’s depiction of the events.

I am not really surprised by your response. Lara Seligman is *who* exactly? A stringer for some US portal who quotes “anonymous sources* but can’t put a single name on the line, not a single detailed account of her so called briefing unlike the Indian guys… but we are to take her seriously.. because “AMERICAN” …seriously?

Next, Bellingcat.. who is this dude? Is he even a professional evaluator? Last I remember checking on him, he’s literally the meme equivalent of a guy in his parent’s basement pretending to run with the big guys and gets fed scraps of info/disinfo in the overall propaganda war over Ukraine and Russia. And suddenly, this “expert” knows more about how the MiG-21 and F-16 structure is, based on Google Image search, than the guys who fly those aircraft or even against them.

Brilliant. “Strike efficacy”. Might want to read up on this.
https://medium.com/@sameerjoshi73/he…r-e8d607efb854

You know, this is only an ex warfighter, currently running an aviation firm as an entrepreneur. He’s definitely not in the same august league as a Lara Seligman or a Bellingcat. He merely trained for war, and flew with one of the IAF’s premier MR units.

Note the opening line. . What do these world-leading media outlets know about the overall event. Lets just let it be for now..

Sure, Varthaman misspoke when he said he was shot down looking for a target, and happened to shoot a missile seconds before himself being hit and ejecting (and Indian media knew this even before he was returned and was debriefed),

I am amazed sitting continents away, now you can speak for Varthaman as well. That’s some serious telepathy right there. Whereas poor we, sitting right in the neighbourhood, heard that he clearly mentioned shooting down the aircraft, he saw it go down and the GOI has asked media sources to not harass him or his family, and go looking for scoops because they don’t want an escalation during election time, and second, they are also concerned next time around, the Pakistani Army might just execute any captured pilot.
For kind reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajay_A…ances_of_death
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saurabh_Kalia

You know, minor things like these happen because of which the incompetent GOI is more into protecting its aircrew than bragging about a F-16. So much so, that they didn’t even have the IAF release details till this latest bunch of idiocy from She Who Should Not Be Named happened.

But what do we know.

the two seater F-16D (one of six in Pakistan) was shot down because eyewitnesses accounts saw two chutes (and they are always reliable). Whew, let’s see, said F-16D went down 8km behind LoC but India, which has satellite’s .which could find such a crash haven’t (even with tracking where it disappeared, according to IAF). So, said F-16D disappeared, no debris, no smoke.

This of course is because it’s in India’s best interests to openly declare what all information it has in it’s hand, because well FBW on Keypubs is asking for that info. Never mind, that whatever info India has, has been released only *as and when necessary* when propaganda attempts are made by folks to pretend that the situation in which this occurred could not have done so.

Meanwhile, the Pakistanis are also so lazy, that within a few hours of the shootdown they would not have removed the wreckage, waiting kindly for India to reposition one of its LEO sats to come over and take pics, and of course, all the other confirmatory information India has, from HUMINT, ELINT, COMINT and even radar displays which can give away the range resolution on its radars, should be shared publicly to make the public point that it indeed did shoot down a F-16… while running down the chances of repeating the feat.

And you were serious here. I sure hope to God you don’t play any poker or serious card game.

The MiG-21 was found with four missiles, oh except one which wasn’t actually crushed in the crash, the seeker head and tail were miraculously found after detonating and shooting down the disappeared F-16D (I mean it’s not like the seeker head and tail would have been several Km apart in such a scenario).

Four missiles of which the seeker head was found much in the same condition as Pak missiles have been found after shooting down Indian drones. And of course, all images released by DGISPR have to be miraculously counted as “non propaganda” and “cent per cent accurate” while Indian briefings on the actual events of that day, were speculative and vague, because “Indian, objective, F-16, MiG-21, ha!”

Then the US conspired to Pakistan to leak false information about no missing F-16’s.

As far as I am aware, the US doesn’t seem to have head or tail awareness about what it’s doing, let alone conspiring worth sh!t. Lets see, your beloved Seligman, states USG told her something. Today, the Pentagon laughs at her claims, the State Dept says “hey don’t look at us, we ain’t friends with Pakistan since 2018”.
Seems more like your heroine has feet of clay and ran her mouth off with “sources” who fed her a load of baloney.

Speaking of which, since the US was busy inspecting each and every F-16 on the PAF’s bases, what happened to the PAF not publicizing this fact?? Where is the mass PAF flyoff and release of the info they gave to the US?

Pentagon “we are not aware of this fact”. Either your guys are at war with each other (viz Pentagon vs State) or y’can believe them over Ms Lara. Take your pick.

Do do I have this right?

So far, you have got everything much pretty much wrong.

So so much for intelligent discussion, I guess NDTV is the only true purveyor of truth.

If there was one thing which speaks volumes about “intelligent discussion” it is this comment. Good lord, and here you Americans come to tell us poor sods what we must and should believe.

NDTV is considered by many to be the most virulent anti- current establishment news channel out there. And you attempt to imply they are “pro establishment purveyors of truth”.

Good to know, I’m out of this thread.

Congratulations. Don’t forget an obligatory fist bump with your Pakistani friends, y’know. Neutrality. Oh wait, they also support the same Army which whacked your guys in the Ghan. Just go look at any Pak forum. Anyways, F-16 trumps all and y’know that comes first and foremost.

[USER=”22286″]Teer[/USER]

ok Teer, Lara Seligman is lying and acting as an agent for L-M, Bellingcat is in league with Pakistan over doubts about strike efficacy. Most of the other world news organizations have taken sides and are lying for Pakistan over doubts about GoI & Indian media’s depiction of the events.

Sure, Varthaman misspoke when he said he was shot down looking for a target, and happened to shoot a missile seconds before himself being hit and ejecting (and Indian media knew this even before he was returned and was debriefed), the two seater F-16D (one of six in Pakistan) was shot down because eyewitnesses accounts saw two chutes (and they are always reliable). Whew, let’s see, said F-16D went down 8km behind LoC but India, which has satellite’s .which could find such a crash haven’t (even with tracking where it disappeared, according to IAF). So, said F-16D disappeared, no debris, no smoke.

The MiG-21 was found with four missiles, oh except one which wasn’t actually crushed in the crash, the seeker head and tail were miraculously found after detonating and shooting down the disappeared F-16D (I mean it’s not like the seeker head and tail would have been several Km apart in such a scenario). Then the US conspired to Pakistan to leak false information about no missing F-16’s.

Do do I have this right?

So so much for intelligent discussion, I guess NDTV is the only true purveyor of truth. Good to know, I’m out of this thread.

Pakistanis are extremely efficient when it comes to finding small seeker heads and motors. Unfortunately our Indian friends are not so because they have been unable to find any of those AMRAAMs that were fired towards Indian fighters on that day (even after 5 weeks) apart from that single piece of AMRAAM with serial numbers and everything that fell on some poor villager’s head on the day.