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Indian Naval Museum – Mk 4 Firefly?

While surfing the net I was surprised to discover the Naval Aviation Museum in India, which was apparantly established in 1998, I was even more surprised that they are listed as having a Fairey Firefly Mk IV in the collection?

I cannot find an official INAM website to see how the display is described by the museum itself, the following description and photos are from the Warbirds of India website

In October 1998 , the Naval Aviation Musuem was inaugurated and opened for general public. Located at the Bogmalai Beach near Dabolim, this musuem provided a rare glimpse of the origins and evolution of Naval Aviation Wing. This was the Naval equivalent of the Indian Air Force Museum at Palam, though with a smaller collection of aircraft.

When it was opened, the Museum started off with a very modest collection of six aircraft but slowly built up its exhibits and today boasts twelve aircraft on its roster, making it the second largest Aviation Museum in India, a place it shares with the HAL Museum.

The place of pride in the Museum is obviously taken by the aircraft exhibits, of which there are twleve of them, from the Short Sealand to the Alize to the latest Sea Harrier. The Museum also has on exhibit one of the largest aircraft on display, the Lockheed Super Constellation (IN315).

Different aircraft served with the Naval Air Arm including World War 2 Era Fairey Firefly fighters. Only one of the twelve Fireflies survive today – this can be seen in the Museum. A tiny Hughes Hu300 helicopter was the sole representative of the rotarycraft fleet of the Indian Navy for quite sometime. Now this has been joined by a Westland Seaking and a Chetak Helicopter.

http://www.warbirdsofindia.com/wbgoanam02.html

One of the star displays of the NAM is a second world war vintage fighter aircraft. The Fairey Firefly is a well known naval fighter used by the Royal Navy which was designed was designed to carry a pilot and an observer – and operate from an aircraft carrier if required.

After acquiring the Sealand, It was clear for the Indian Navy that the it was not able to offer services like Drogue Towing on which Naval Gunners could practice gunnery. Soon the Navy procured the Fairey Firefly for target towing purposes. The first two Firefly TT Mk1’s INS-111 and INS-113 arrived on 14 Feb 55. These two were followed by three more Mk1s numbered 112, 114 and 115 in May 55.

Three years later a second batch of five Firefly TT Mk.4s were procured. INS-116 and INS-117 were flown in on 11 Sept 58. The other three Mk.4s arrived before the end of Dec 58. The Mk.4s were equipped with 20mm cannon and could also carry bombs and rockets if required – Thus they became the first Indian Naval Aircraft that were offensive capable.

Of the ten Fireflies procured, one has been lost in an accident and the all but one of the remaining are believed to have been scrapped. The sole surviving Firefly remained as a fuselage in the warehouses of Cochin for over three and a half decades, before it was bought out for a hasty restoration job and subsequent display at the NAM.
The aircraft was probably built up from the remains of a Firefly fuselage which was extant from the firewall just ahead of the cockpit and upto the tail. The team constructed an engine cowling, spinner, propeller, cooling vents, Oil cooler air intakes on both sides of the engine cowling, a complete undercarraige and tail empennage.

While a reasonable job has been done on the main fuselage, the engine cowlings came out the worst – looking like something grafted out of a DHC-1 Chipmunk, the cowlings along with the Spinner and Propeller look out of place and completely distracts from the Firefly look. Many a visitor has emailed us asking if it was a ‘Replica’ and were flabbergasted when we told them it was an original aircraft!

The Undercarraige of the aircraft is another distracting feature. Though we have no clue as to from which parts it was fabricated, the main undercarraige looks like it is a strutted unit from Biplanes of yore. The tail wheel is too big for the aircraft and looks like it is a wheel barrow spare. It would probably have been better if the Navy had displayed the aircraft on jacks and completely removed all traces of the current u/c set up.

Others have commented that a Harvard’s tail might have been used to construct the tail empennage. Whether correct or not, the team had done good work in this area. Similar good work has been done in the pilot and observer canopy areas.

The good quality of restoration done on the fuselage is again marred by the paint job. Big Bold letters proclaim ‘INDIAN NAVY’ – a style that has not been seen on the firefly in the numerous historical photographs displayed inside the museum.

Overall while the restoration effort is appreciated, its a case of ‘what could have been’. The aircraft can still be made to good look. Remove the current undercarraige – change the forward engine cowlings and the propeller blades, fabricate an original ‘glass house’ for the observer, change the paint scheme that includes the Yellow and Black underside typical of Target Towing aircraft, we will have a winner – and a warbird that makes the trip worth visiting.

http://www.warbirdsofindia.com/Goa/Firefly01.jpg

http://www.warbirdsofindia.com/Goa/Firefly02.jpg

Can anyone determine how much original fuselage survives in this display?

Following on from the earlier “data-plate” spitfire thread, is this a “restoration”, “reproduction” or “replica”?

There certainly seems to be a lot of new metal!

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By: Jagan - 9th January 2009 at 13:01

The Sealand sadly lacks engines so some props have just been stuck to the wings.

Actually the engines are there nearby (where you find the sea eagle mock up displayed). My guess is that it was a conscious decision not to have them up there and let gravity do its job in pulling down the wings.

http://www.warbirds.in/Goa/Engines03.jpg

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By: Postfade - 5th January 2009 at 20:16

Glad they’ve kept a SeaHawk.

I remember this one got stuck at Changi mid 1963 with engine trouble. Eventually it was towed through the camp to the yacht club and loaded onto a lighter to take it back to it’s home carrier ‘Vikrant’.

http://www.davidtaylorsound.co.uk/share/Aircraft%20pics/Indian%20Navy%20SeaHawk%20IN157%20gets%20tranferred%20to%20a%20lighter-Changi-July%201963-S065A.jpg

I thought it a bit embarrasing for an aircraft to be bobbing about on a little pontoon. However a few weeks later I visited the Singapore Naval Base and some of Ark Royal’s ‘finest jets’ were just littering the dockside having been just craned ‘out of the way’. Such things obviously happen in a Navy aviator’s world.

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By: Thunderbird167 - 5th January 2009 at 13:52

This discussed some time back

see here

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=19345

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By: farnboroughrob - 5th January 2009 at 13:10

Hi Guys I was lucky enough to take a good look at the Firefly in April 08. Considering the museums budget restrictions I think they did a fair job with whats available. The fuselarge from the firewall to just behind the observers posistion is original, if bare inside. The tail looks like a T6 and the wings are new build. Considering they had no drawings they didn’t do too bad a job.
I thought it was a excellent museum considering it cost less than a pound to enter! We even paid for our taxi driver to come in as he had never been close to a pane before! He didn’t believe the place existed and got very excited.
Of the othere exhibits the Connie is in very good condition and is being internally restored. The Seaking,Chetak, Alize,Seahawk,and HT2 are all in the condition at the time of their retirement. The Sea Harrier is a very good composite. The Sealand sadly lacks engines so some props have just been stuck to the wings. The Vampire pod had has some repair work and is now misshaped. The Dove is complete but has steel plate in place of the perspex!
The indoor exhibition was great and the roll of lost crew is staggering considerning so few have been in combat missions! In all it was a great morning away from the beach.

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By: Cees Broere - 29th December 2008 at 13:16

Yes, that too, or have they fitted a Burmese Spitfire tail?
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By: Mark12 - 29th December 2008 at 12:22

Hi Mark,

It appears that indeed the fuselage from the firewall aft to just in front of
the tailfin is original Firefly with the rest made up, although the tailfin resembles a Firefly as well.Over to the experts.
Cheers

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It also resembles a Harvard. 🙂

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By: BSG-75 - 29th December 2008 at 12:05

Not the most inspired piece of work, almost looks like a ground decoy from WW 2!

That said, its there, intact and not melted down so I’d give it 5.5 for artistic impression and where there is some airframe, there is some hope for another day?

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By: Cees Broere - 29th December 2008 at 11:29

Hi Mark,

It appears that indeed the fuselage from the firewall aft to just in front of
the tailfin is original Firefly with the rest made up, although the tailfin resembles a Firefly as well.
Over to the experts.
Cheers

Cees

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