Probabaly one of India’s most hush hush projects. This one came out of the blue. Now we know what the Green pine radars were acquired for. There have been stories of a three tired ABM system with the PAC-3 , the Indian system and the Arrow.
Guess we should expect some suprises on the success of the Indian system. Are the Israeli’s and the Russians helping out?
Trials of long-range SAMs by year-end
Special Correspondent
HYDERABAD: Indian defence scientists have embarked on developing long-range (100 km) surface to air missiles (SAMs), the flight trials of which are expected to begin by the year-end.
The missiles with multi-platform systems can be launched from ship and ground. The propulsion, control guidance and other systems for the “hit-to-kill” missiles were being built, according to V.K.Saraswat, Director, Research Centre Imarat, a DRDO institution.
He told reporters here on Wednesday that the development phase of long- range SAMs was expected to be over in two to three years. Feasibility studies were also on for developing short-range helicopter-launch anti-ship missiles.
At present in the SAM class of missile, India has medium range Akash, which has a range of about 27 km.
Apart from SAMs, a long-range Air Defence System was also being developed. Once deployed, the radars of such a system would have multiple target tracking capacity and could simultaneously track 200 aircraft up to a distance of 400 km.
Predicting that future wars would be network-centric and not platform-centric, he said the coordination of all platforms in a network would be required. India had an excellent command, control and communication network which was totally encrypted and secure.
By: TinWing - 14th December 2005 at 20:50
Vijay Kumar Saraswat, RCI director, said Feb 10 that [u]the system RCI is working on will be superior to the Patriot-2 and Russia’s S-300 PMU, and will be ready to enter service by 2008. Saraswat claimed the system will have a mobile launcher carrying three surface-to-air, solid-fuel missiles, equipped with directional warheads. [/u]
He said the unnamed system will begin flight trials in mid-2006. RCI will carry out about 10 flights before deploying it with the Indian defense forces.
The DRDO scientist said the indigenous air defense system will have a mission control system that will conduct target acquisition, classification and track estimation, among other functions.He said another major element is the active phased-array radar system purchased from Israel. Called Sword Fish, the system was purchased in early 2004 for $50 million and is undergoing trials at Hasan in Karnataka state. [/u]
Once the air defense system is operational, the DRDO scientist said, RCI will integrate it with other defense systems via satellite links and a secure digital data link that will enable it to track and transmit data up to a range of 1,000 kilometers. •
We’ve all heard the same sort of announcement before.
Does anyone remember what happened to the Trishul missile?
By: sferrin - 13th December 2005 at 17:36
“India’s Missile experts realized very well that Ballistic missiles are useless since most countries can manipulate the ionosphere to destroy the missile………focused on frying all the electronics of any incoming ballistic missile that leave the earth’s atmosphere and then reenter the same on the other side of the world………use electromagnetic waves, laser and low frequency arrays to create billions of watts on of energy in the ionosphere to fry all the electronics of an incoming missile. “
Sounds like a member of the tinfoil hat crowd. (ie a “HAARP is going to destroy the world” Freak)
By: Stealth Spy - 13th December 2005 at 15:54
The Arrow 2 missile approaches the target at a maximum speed of Mach 9, or 2.5km/s, to a maximum altitude of 50,000 m.
Read the contents of this link : http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/surface_missiles/arrow/Arrow.html
PS: India alredy has the Arrow system’s GREEN PINE RADAR & check this out as well :
Thales offers latest missile detecting radars to India
French defence major, [b][u]Thales has offered an across the board technology transfer to India in state-of-art radar knowhow to help New Delhi move speedily towards bridging the gaps in its air space coverage, specially in detecting low flying intrusions.[/b][/u]
Undettered by the recent US efforts at political level to muscle into the lucrative Indian market, Thales with an almost 50 year presence in India has set up an Indian subsidiary and is also offering to set up joint ventures in the country.
Jean Paul Perrier, Chief Executive of the 13 billion Euro multi-European company, Thales said his company was now offering to India its latest three dimension Herakles multi- function radars for the Indian Navy’s latest range of lethal indigenous P15 and P17 type frigates.
“The radars have the capability to detect incoming missiles, aircraft, helicopters as well as low-flying Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV’S) as well as guide missiles and other weapons to deal with these threats,” Perrier told visiting Indian newsmen as the company unveiled the latest range of radars at Lnemore facility in the city suburbs.
The Herakles MFR-30 can perform in any weather conditions and have back scanning capability enabling it to release missiles to intercept incoming missiles threats, a capability which Indian armed forces lack so far.
Though US efforts at political level have caused some ripples in the French Defence industry, which is India’s third largest arms trading partner, Perrier told PTI that Thales was not unduly worried over the American onslaught.
“French companies will not shy away from competition. All we want is a level playing field to let our weapons platform and systems speak for themseleves,” he said.
“We were pitted against the Israelis, who could not match our systems and we are confident that we can outmatch any new bidders” Perrier said.
India was to procure 19 LLTR’s under the deal with the rest to be manufactured by BEL under full technology transfer. Though there is no no official word from the Defence Ministry, high-level defence officials said the Israeli bid was rejected as it did not not meet Indian qualitative standards.
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India’s Green pine radars
India has alredy bought the Green Pine radar form Israel :
The Elta Green Pine early warning and fire control radar for the Arrow system can [u]detect targets at ranges up to about 500km and is able to track targets at speeds over 3,000m/s. The radar illuminates the target and guides the interceptor missile to within 4m of the target. [/u]
The Arrow Weapon System features a state-of-the-art EL/M2080 L-band radar, Green Pine, based on the decades of experience in developing technological solutions for early warning and fire control defense systems.
The Elta Electronic Industries subsidiary of IAI Electronic Group developed the Green Pine early warning and fire control radar for the Arrow system. The radar carries the designation EL/M-2090 and includes the trailer mounted radar and antenna array, the power generator, a cooling system and a radar control centre.
Green Pine is an electronically scanned, solid state, phased array radar operating at L-band in the range 500MHz to 1,000MHz, and was developed from the Elta Music phased array radar. The radar operates in search, detection, tracking and missile guidance modes simultaneously.
The radar has the following features:
Phased array L-band radar
Dual mode operation – early warning and fire control
Long range acquisition capability – several hundred kilometers
Simultaneous tracking of dozens of Tactical Ballistic Missiles (TBM)
Clear discrimination between TBMs, aircraft and other missiles
ECCM capability
Transportability
India has placed an order for the supply of two Elta Green Pine for use with India’s air defence system against ballistic missiles. The first was delivered in 2001. The Green Pine Radar system is already deployed in India. The radar system, developed for Israel’s Arrow anti-missile missile, is a transportable ground-based multimode solid-state phased array radar, capable of predicting impact points of incoming tactical ballistic missiles.
The Green Pine radar’s strategic value along the Indian-Pakistani border is reportedly inestimable. “It covers all of Pakistan’s military command centers and bases between Islamabad, the capital, and the Indian frontier. The system reportedly provides India with surveillance of Pakistan’s nuclear centers and missile sites.
Regards,
Stealth Spy 🙂
By: Stealth Spy - 13th December 2005 at 15:47
Vijay Kumar Saraswat, RCI director, said Feb 10 that [u]the system RCI is working on will be superior to the Patriot-2 and Russia’s S-300 PMU, and will be ready to enter service by 2008. Saraswat claimed the system will have a mobile launcher carrying three surface-to-air, solid-fuel missiles, equipped with directional warheads. [/u]
He said the unnamed system will begin flight trials in mid-2006. RCI will carry out about 10 flights before deploying it with the Indian defense forces.
The DRDO scientist said the indigenous air defense system will have a mission control system that will conduct target acquisition, classification and track estimation, among other functions.
He said another major element is the active phased-array radar system purchased from Israel. Called Sword Fish, the system was purchased in early 2004 for $50 million and is undergoing trials at Hasan in Karnataka state. [/u]
Once the air defense system is operational, the DRDO scientist said, RCI will integrate it with other defense systems via satellite links and a secure digital data link that will enable it to track and transmit data up to a range of 1,000 kilometers. •
By: Stealth Spy - 13th December 2005 at 15:13
here is a copmilation of recent developments in the field :
Citing an announcement by defense officials at a press conference, India’s The Statesman reports that India could establish an air and missile defense shield for a 200 square kilometer area within five or six years, quoting defense scientists said. Such a system could reportedly be duplicated to protect “big cities and strategic facilities like nuclear reactors and space launching sites against incoming missiles.” The interceptor is said to be a surface-to-air missile with a range of 80-85 km, and another interceptor with a range of about 20 km. The Akash SAM is mentioned as a possible interceptor for such a system; “Meanwhile, the Akash will have some anti-missile system capabilities.”
As for the radars for such a system, Mr M. Natarajan, DRDO chief and scientific advisor to the defense minister, said they might include a phased-array radar placed on an executive jet, such as the Brazilian Embrear. India has already purchased from Israel the Phalcon aircraft-mounted radar system
India not impressed with the PAC-3 that it was offered
India is not impressed with the PAC-3 missile unit offered with the two-tier US anti-missile defence system, on the grounds that it is slow for the very low reaction period in the sub-continent, and therefore, the Pentagon will demonstrate more advanced technologies when defence minister Pranab Mukherjee visits the country.
Besides more advanced units than PAC-3, the US is offering mid-air jamming systems
India to outpace the rest of Asia in development and deployment of missiles and missile shields
India plans to outpace Asia and may be rest of the world in missile research and missile shield development and deployment. According to media sources in India, India will invest about Rs. 12,000 crore in the next eight years to produce world-class missiles. According to Prahlada, Director, Hyderabad-based Defence Research and Development Laboratory (DRDL), besides this investment, which will go to industry, another Rs. 1000, crore will be spent on maintaining the missiles and upgrading their technology.
India’s strategic interest is in having a defense alliance with United States to protect India with a missile defense umbrella or shield. The strategic missile defense is considered by Indian defense establishments are most critical. The recent US-India ten-year defense alliance will help India to achieve its goal. India and the United States will sign an Overall Umbrella agreement on Science and Technology during the forthcoming US visit of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. This will further enhance the possibilities of achieving the Indian goals.
India rules out accepting US missile defence system
India on Tuesday ruled out accepting a missile defence system from the United States.
“There is no question of accepting (a) missile shield from anyone,” Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee told a news conference in reply to a question.“What we are interested in is developing our own missile programme and we are doing that.”
The United States said last June that it was willing to talk to India about supplying missile defence systems.
“We are willing to talk to India about missile defence. Missile defence is very expensive. So it is not something that India will enter into lightly,” US assistant secretary of state for arms control, Stephen Rademaker, had told reporters on a visit to New Delhi.
India and the United States last week signed a groundbreaking 10-year plan for military cooperation during a visit to Washington by Mukherjee.
India, a Cold War ally of the Soviet Union, has recently moved closer to the United States.
India pursuing manipulation of ionosphere to fry electronics of incoming warheads
India’s Missile experts realized very well that Ballistic missiles are useless since most countries can manipulate the ionosphere to destroy the missile………focused on frying all the electronics of any incoming ballistic missile that leave the earth’s atmosphere and then reenter the same on the other side of the world………use electromagnetic waves, laser and low frequency arrays to create billions of watts on of energy in the ionosphere to fry all the electronics of an incoming missile.
India’s Phalcon system to “Neutralize” Pakistani Missiles
Israel’s Phalcon system, previously sold to India, is capable of “neutralizing” Pakistan’s Shaheen II ballisic missile, according to a news report, which came just after Pakistan’s test of the Shaheen II on March 16.
India rejects PAC-3 and asks for THAAD ; US mum
There was no word on whether the Israeli-American Arrow THAAD missile defense system, which India has previously sought, would also be approved, though Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee did express India’s position that all technology restrictions should be dropped.
All that the US said on the request for the THAAD
We are willing to talk to India about missile defence. Missile defence is very expensive. So, it is not something that India will enter into lightly,” visiting US assistant secretary of state for arms control, Stephen Rademaker, told reporters.
Regards,
Stealth Spy 🙂
By: coldfire2005 - 13th December 2005 at 11:37
isreal will also play a vital role in development of this missile
By: sferrin - 7th December 2005 at 15:18
Maybe the S-300PMU2
The RFAF is just acquiring S-400 and the russians arn’t really motivated to sell their best SAM right away…
What ever happened to the AN-2500 (developement of the S-300v)?
By: Hell King - 6th December 2005 at 10:27
Last I heard India was somehow interested in every anti-ballistic missile system from the West, Israel, Russia, etc. Talk is abundant in India. Action isn’t.
By: xanadu - 6th December 2005 at 07:20
http://www.india-defence.com/reports/944
India has decided on a synergised land and air-based missile defence system, and the US, Russia, France and Israel would be invited as technology partners, should they agree, and on the Indian side, DRDO, ISRO and BARC will participate.
Following a US presentation weeks ago, the government mulled the offer of outright purchase of a missile defence system, and rejected it, given the peculiar nature of the threat to India, with in-flight missile time from Pakistan being merely 3.50 minutes and from China seven minutes.
After considerable brainstorming, the government has decided to split the missile defence system with a land- and air-based component, while the naval element has been left out because of its obviously offensive characteristic.
Under the new thinking, India will not export whole systems from the US or another country, but would invite them for technological participation, and informally, the US, France, Israel and Russia have been intimated, although officials expressed doubts if the US would participate, whose export offer expires at the month-end.
The other countries see this as an opportunity to build stakes with the Indian military establishment, and India has internally rejected an argument of lowered threat levels from Pakistan because of the dialogue process, and because of peaceful relations with China, on the grounds that these needn’t sustain out.
By: vksac - 27th April 2005 at 04:57
For a second I started wondering why 1:00 am? Then read somewhere that it was 1:00 pm. A firing at 1:00 am, would have definately raised some eyebrows.
By: matt - 26th April 2005 at 17:52
Trishul was test fired this/last morning at about 1pm or something more details on the web but could not find much.
edited: see below
By: Chacko - 18th April 2005 at 14:13
“Keeping our nation’s threat perception in mind, we are developing our own defence umbrella against oncoming ballistic and cruise missiles. Such an ambitious anti-missile programme calls for development and realisation of long-range, high-resolution radars. We also need to make rapid advancements in developing a missile defence scheme capable of both endo and exo atmospheric interception capabilities. The engineering efforts in all these sectors should stem from the resolve to improve the overall quality of life of the common man”, Mr. Kalam said.
‘India developing ballistic missiles defence to counter threats’
BANGALORE FEB. 9.2003: India is developing ballistic missile defence technologies to counter “threats from its adversaries” and has no Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) programme, a key official of a DRDO laboratory involved in weapon system programmes, said today.
“We are now trying to develop ballistic missile defence system like hypersonic class of missiles and long-range detection and tracking radars”, Director of Hyderabad-based Research Centre Imarat (RCI), V.K. Saraswat, told PTI here. “We are going to concentrate on that,” he said.
“In offensive weapons (missiles), we have almost come to whatever needed by the country. Now we are looking at defensive weapons,” said Mr. Sarswat, who spoke last evening at an international seminar, organised as part of Aero India 2003, an international aerospace exposition here.
According to him, with the defensive weapons under development, the nation would be able to counter “incoming missile threats”. “You know, we have threats. Because our adversaries have (such missiles), we have to develop that,” he said and also indicated that India was working on a layered defence system.
DRDO officials said such a system included many technologies, including using satellites for communications and a unique two-layer defensive line using surface-to-air missile for any incoming ballistic missile attack. But he categorically said that New Delhi had no ICBM programme and asserted that the country faced no ICBM threat.(HINDU)(AEROINDIA)
Plans for missile interceptors unveiled
V.K. Saraswat, Director, RCI, DRDO, said missile defence would be given impetus: programmes included developing missile interceptors.
Another initiative is the Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD). We are at the technology development stage and a target missile has been launched with success. It requires a network of command, computer, control, communication and intelligence network. It is a bit way off, but we are firmly on route and hope to convert it into a deployable system in four-five years.
By: Arabella-Cox - 18th April 2005 at 08:00
I think this project may have had much earlier begining as far back as in 1996.
I think one of first references to this project was made in a pakistani journal almost 3-4 years ago, but i forgot the name and the link. It also named the project and the missile.
By: hallo84 - 18th April 2005 at 07:07
What about the S-400???
Maybe the S-300PMU2
The RFAF is just acquiring S-400 and the russians arn’t really motivated to sell their best SAM right away…
By: Hyperwarp - 18th April 2005 at 06:45
India isnt going to get the Arrow and isnt going to buy the PAC-3 imo, so this third project will have to deliver.
What about the S-400???
By: Indian1973 - 18th April 2005 at 06:12
India isnt going to get the Arrow and isnt going to buy the PAC-3 imo, so this third project will have to deliver.
By: Victor - 18th April 2005 at 02:52
Not totally out of the blue…
Exerpt from Defense News Feb 28 05
Indians Divided on Air Defense
Weigh Domestic, U.S. Solutions
By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI, NEW DELHI
More capable air defense has been a top government
priority here for several years. To meet the Army’s
future requirements, the DRDO diverted some funds from
its missile program in January 2003 to begin
developing its own air defense system capable of
tracking ballistic missiles.
The Research Centre Imarat (RCI) in Hyderabad, a
premier defense laboratory that produces the Agni and
Prithvi missile systems and is under the
administrative control of DRDO, has been developing a
system since early 2003 that would have a range of 100
kilometers.
A DRDO scientist said the previous National Democratic
Alliance government was so impressed with the RCI
proposal that $444.4 million was allotted in June 2003
to complete the indigenous air defense system by 2008.
Vijay Kumar Saraswat, RCI director, said Feb 10 that
the system RCI is working on will be superior to the
Patriot-2 and Russia’s S-300 PMU, and will be ready to
enter service by 2008. Saraswat claimed the system
will have a mobile launcher carrying three
surface-to-air, solid-fuel missiles, equipped with
directional warheads.
He said the unnamed system will begin flight trials in
mid-2006. RCI will carry out about 10 flights before
deploying it with the Indian defense forces.
The DRDO scientist said the indigenous air defense
system will have a mission control system that will
conduct target acquisition, classification and track
estimation, among other functions.
He said another major element is the active
phased-array radar system purchased from Israel.
Called Sword Fish, the system was purchased in early
2004 for $50 million and is undergoing trials at Hasan
in Karnataka state.
Once the air defense system is operational, the DRDO
scientist said, RCI will integrate it with other
defense systems via satellite links and a secure
digital data link that will enable it to track and
transmit data up to a range of 1,000 kilometers.
By: Arabella-Cox - 17th April 2005 at 16:13
I think that this missile may be a lighter version of SA-12 giant, something in the range of 1200-1600kg.
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