Indonesia's National Corvette / Korvet Nasional

Thank you very much for the translation!:)
So the 990 (picture) is one of the two LPD being build in South Korea, after KRI Tanjung Dalpepe, and the two next ships will be build in Indonesia? right?
X:)

Industri galangan kapal nasional PT PAL Indonesia, mulai membangun dua kapal perang Landing Platform Dock (LPD) atau jenis kapal yang dapat mengangkut personel maupun peralatan-peralatan tempur. Hal itu dinyatakan ketika dilakukannya pemotongan baja pertama (first steel cutting) dan peletakkan lunas pertama (keel laying) pesanan Departemen Pertahanan (Dephan) di Surabaya belum lama ini, sebagai realisasi order pembuatan dari manufacturing dan purchase contract PT PAL dengan Daewoo International Corporation pada 28 Maret 2005.

PT PAL Indonesian shipyard industry will start the construction of 2 LPD ships. It was announced during the first steel cutting and keel laying of one of the ship ordered by the ministry of defense in Surabaya not a while ago; as the realization of the contract signed by PT PAL and Daewoo International Corporation on the 28th of march 2005.

Pembuatan kapal LPD ke 3 dan 4 itu, diawali dengan penandatanganan Berita Acara dari Direktur Pengembangan (Dirbang) Usaha PT PAL Indonesia Ny. Kusumawati kepada Direktur Daewoo Mr. Sung Hun Lee yang kemudian dilanjutkan kepada Asisten Kasal bidang Logistik Laksda TNI Yoedoko, disaksikan oleh Kasal Laksamana TNI Slamet Soebijanto, Dirut PT PAL Indonesia Adwin Suryahadipraja serta Dirada Dephan Marsma TNI Muchtar Lubis yang mewakili Dirjen Ranahan Dephan.

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“Dengan adanya pembangunan LPD di PT PAL Indonesia, maka akan mengurangi ketergantungan kita pada negara lain terhadap proses pengadaan KRI atau kapal perang di masa mendatang”, kata Kasal.
Sama halnya dengan dua kapal sejenis sebelumnya yang dibangun di Korea Selatan, kapal LPD ke 3 dan ke 4 yang diperuntukkan TNI AL tersebut, dirancang secara khusus untuk mampu dipasang meriam 100 mm dan dilengkapi dengan ruang CIC untuk sistem kendali senjata (fire control system), sebagai alat komunikasi dengan kapal-kapal jenis combatan untuk melindungi pendaratan pasukan dan kendaraan tempur serta pengendalian pendaratan helikopter.

“With these LPD constructions by PT PAL, it is hoped that it will reduce our national dependence to foreign nation regarding future acquisition of warship”, according to Chief of Navy.
Similar with the ships previously built in South Korea, the third and fourth LPD will be designed wholly for TNI-AL, it is designed to accommodate 100 mm cannon and equipped with CIC, fire control system, and communication equipment for coordination with other friendly forces.

Selain memiliki kemampuan mengangkut 507 personel, 13 ranpur, 5 helikopter dan dirancang menggunakan teknologi khusus stealth design atau tidak mudah ditangkap radar lawan, kedua kapal LPD buatan dalam negeri tersebut dapat digunakan untuk operasi militer selain perang, yakni operasi kemanusiaan serta penanggulangan bencana alam.

Other than having the capacity of carrying 507 sailors, 13 APC/IFV?, 5 helicopters and the stealth design, these two locally built LPD can also be used for civil operation like humanitarian, disaster relief mission.

this is the rough translation, sorry for the bad grammar.

Mmmm…. seems to be very interesting, but, could you translate? I apologize but I ‘m not sure to understand all the article…
X:(

hmm… new LPD.

http://www.tnial.mil.id/tabid/61/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/34/PT-PAL-BANGUN-DUA-KAPAL-PERANG-TNI-AL.aspx

Industri galangan kapal nasional PT PAL Indonesia, mulai membangun dua kapal perang Landing Platform Dock (LPD) atau jenis kapal yang dapat mengangkut personel maupun peralatan-peralatan tempur. Hal itu dinyatakan ketika dilakukannya pemotongan baja pertama (first steel cutting) dan peletakkan lunas pertama (keel laying) pesanan Departemen Pertahanan (Dephan) di Surabaya belum lama ini, sebagai realisasi order pembuatan dari manufacturing dan purchase contract PT PAL dengan Daewoo International Corporation pada 28 Maret 2005.
Pembuatan kapal LPD ke 3 dan 4 itu, diawali dengan penandatanganan Berita Acara dari Direktur Pengembangan (Dirbang) Usaha PT PAL Indonesia Ny. Kusumawati kepada Direktur Daewoo Mr. Sung Hun Lee yang kemudian dilanjutkan kepada Asisten Kasal bidang Logistik Laksda TNI Yoedoko, disaksikan oleh Kasal Laksamana TNI Slamet Soebijanto, Dirut PT PAL Indonesia Adwin Suryahadipraja serta Dirada Dephan Marsma TNI Muchtar Lubis yang mewakili Dirjen Ranahan Dephan.

“Dengan adanya pembangunan LPD di PT PAL Indonesia, maka akan mengurangi ketergantungan kita pada negara lain terhadap proses pengadaan KRI atau kapal perang di masa mendatang”, kata Kasal.
Sama halnya dengan dua kapal sejenis sebelumnya yang dibangun di Korea Selatan, kapal LPD ke 3 dan ke 4 yang diperuntukkan TNI AL tersebut, dirancang secara khusus untuk mampu dipasang meriam 100 mm dan dilengkapi dengan ruang CIC untuk sistem kendali senjata (fire control system), sebagai alat komunikasi dengan kapal-kapal jenis combatan untuk melindungi pendaratan pasukan dan kendaraan tempur serta pengendalian pendaratan helikopter.

Selain memiliki kemampuan mengangkut 507 personel, 13 ranpur, 5 helikopter dan dirancang menggunakan teknologi khusus stealth design atau tidak mudah ditangkap radar lawan, kedua kapal LPD buatan dalam negeri tersebut dapat digunakan untuk operasi militer selain perang, yakni operasi kemanusiaan serta penanggulangan bencana alam.

This one:

[QUOTE=koxinga;1089918]As Ja pointed out, the remainder Sigma class corvettes have are under construction. There were earlier attempts to change these notably to Russian vessels presumably due to vested interests of those involved..
[QUOTE]
not necessarily vested interest…
the price of the programs would buy few Talwar or Jiang Wei FRIGATES :rolleyes:

well now it all make sense.. thanks

To clear this up once and for all:

http://www.dephan.go.id/ranahan/artikel/artikel130406b.htm

Electronic translation:

The RI MINISTER OF DEFENCE received Rene BERKVENS – RI Defence Minister, Juwono Sudarsono, on Thursday morning (13/4), received Of Royal Schelde CEO , EVP Of The Damen the Shift Yard Group The Netherlands, Rene Berkvens, in the Dephan Office, Jakarta. This meeting discussed about the Schelde Shipyard in the Netherlands that built the Corvette Ship. In receiving his guest, the RI Minister Of Defence was accompanied by the Special Staff the Minister Of Defence the economic Field, Masda TNI Tumiyo, the Director General Strahan Dephan, MajGen TNI Dadi Susanto, the Director General Renhan Dephan, the Rear Admiral TNI Yuwendi, and Karo the Secretariat General’s public relations Dephan, the TNI Air Commodore of Abdul Azis Manaf, SE. (RHT)

The RI minister of defence:

The Corvette ship Sigma That was ready
Expected to have been armed

On April 13 2006

Jakarta, DMC – RI Defence Minister, Juwono Sudarsono, hoped the Sigma Corvette Ship made by the Shipyard of Schelde Netherlands to TNI Al that was ready, also to be supplemented with weapons. The Sigma component of weapons of the Corvette Ship will be imported from Italia and France.

“Senjata him has been remained at his ammunition, because that was related to the additional cost that must be counted on kembali,” clear RI Defence Minister, Juwono Sudarsono, on Thursday (13/4), after received Of Royal Schelde CEO , EVP Of The Damen the Shift Yard Group The Netherlands, Rene Berkvens, in the Dephan Office, Jakarta. This meeting discussed about the Schelde Shipyard in the Netherlands that built the Corvette Ship.

According to the Minister Of Defence, the Corvette Ship Sigma-1 was ready and will be sent to Indonesia in July 2007, and Sigma-2 following two months afterwards, whereas the Corvette Ship Sigma-3 and 4 will be finished his production in Schelde Netherlands in the year 2008-2009.

In the development Sigma-3 and 4 in the Netherlands, Indonesia will send four experts from PT. PAL to visit to the Schelde Shipyard this coming May. After that, just was arranged by the possibility in stages the following Corvette after Sigma-3 and 4 were built in Indonesia. “Hal that definitely really depended on operational readiness and the infrastructure that was owned by PT. PAL that at this time really has gone up in the development field of trade ships, but not yet many for war patrol boats and to polisi,” clear the Minister Of Defence.

According to the Minister Of Defence, in the meeting with The CEO The shipyard of Schelde Netherlands, also was discussed concerning the co-operation with PT. PAL, took the form of the further program in the form of the National Corvette. But, that definitely also depended on bargaining on the country’s other shipyard, like Germany and Italia. Eventually, the Dutch shipyard, Germany and Italia that offered the co-operation will be asked to introduce the National proposal of the program of the Corvette co-operation with PT. PAL.

The director general Renhan Dephan, the Rear Admiral TNI Yuwendi with the Director General Ranahan Dephan, Pieter L.D. Wattimena will select the appropriateness of offers that were put forward in accordance with the price, the specification and the quality. “Dari these offers will be chosen by some or the combination of to two countries to develop the Corvette program Nasional,” so clear the Minister Of Defence. (DAS/RHT)

As Ja pointed out, the remainder Sigma class corvettes have are under construction. There were earlier attempts to change these notably to Russian vessels presumably due to vested interests of those involved..

The National Covertte program at PT PAL seems to be around for a long time and had it start when they started with the FPB-57.

Here is a very interesting link
http://www.dephan.go.id/ranahan/harga/02BUKUI2005/ALATHAN2005.htm

Dollars and Cents:eek: Interesting to see how much they paid for what.

150m wont purchase a frigate…. That is the price of small frigate
it just ‘slip of the tongue’ (and that is where indonesia DoD reputation vanished) —
And for the navy, a corvette is a corvette is a corvette… in Indonesia everyone call it corvette
chief of navy recently criticize the purchase (signed in the era of former chief) and he said he wants a ‘bigger ship, frigates’

And– Kornas is different program with Sigma
The Kornas will entirely built in Indonesia
However the plan is dead and life and dead again not sure when (or even if) it will became reality… maybe next 5-10 years (im skeptical )

Hello? Am I on another planet here? Am I not being understood?

KRI Diponegoro (365) has started sea trials in the Netherlands, while KRI Hasanuddin (366) has just been launched and is currently fitting out.The other two vessels in the class: KRI Sultan Iskandar (367) and KRI Frans Kaisiepo (368) are still under various stages of construction in the Dutch yard.They are all of the Sigma design and fitted with COTS and MOTS equipment.

The Korean contract is for something completely different- The Small Destroyers which are just that. If you guys are interested the order of ships goes like this…

Any “Small Destroyer” is more likely to be a Frigate rather than a Corvette simply because of the weapons fit- and yes that is how you determin what is what, Displacement with weapons fit. The best example I can give is the MEKO 360 design; In Argentine service it is a Destroyer because of the heavier weapons fit, conversly in Nigerian service it is only a Frigate!

thanks for this info, Tunasa! I thought that only the first two Sigma corvettes were scheduled to be built in the Nederlands. Is it official that De Schelde will build the next two Sigma?
X:)

The news I heard about the Corvette from my Indonesian friends is that De Schelde will built the next two corvettes. Once again, the navy and parliament do not have an agreement about how the project will be carried out. The navy believes that one thing is more suitable but the parliament believes that other designs are more economically visible.

I heard about a rumor that they changed the base concept from Dutch Sigma Corvette to Italian Commandante Class Corvette. However, there are no official news from the government and I am kind a afraid that it will be stuck in proposal process.

The navy or parliament seems to have some disagreement on the technical design of the ship. Moreover, there are some discrepancies between what the contract and the reality; for example, it was known that the last 2 of Sigma corvettes will be built in PT PAL in Surabaya but at the end they decided that it will be built in Dutch shipyard.

My government does not give an accurate information about it, they seems to avoid giving an exact statement about it.

A few days ago South Korea’s Ministry of Commerce, Industry and Energy announced that it will help Korean shipbuilders win the Indonesian contract through a government-to-government talk. I guess Daewoo or Hyundai are lobbying hard to get into the Indonesian corvette business.

The Ministry said the Indonesian government has two projects, a USD 750 million-worth project to build two submarines and another USD 150 million-worth one to build two “small destroyers (in other words corvettes).”

Cheers,
Sunho

A news from IDEX 2007 about Sigma corvette

Royal Schelde corvette prepares to set sail

Two years after presenting its new SIGMA (Ship Integrated Geometrical Modularity Approach) family of surface ships at IDEX 2005, Dutch shipbuilder Royal Schelde will shortly start sea trials for the first of four 90m SIGMA corvettes on order for the Indonesian Navy.

According to Schelde, the modular and scalable SIGMA concept allows customers to tailor ship designs to meet specific operational requirements for offshore patrol vessels, corvettes and light frigates. The design philosophy balances military characteristics and capabilities with a platform that is economical to build and operate, and maximises commonality between ships.

This means that training, logistics, maintenance routines and spares holdings can be optimised. Schelde points out that the majority of the cost of a ship is not dictated by the outer appearance, nor by the structural infrastructure of shell, inner decks and compartments, but by the internal arrangement and density of equipment outfit.

As such, its solution is to focus on commonality in equipment, components, maintenance and training without jeopardising the specific operational capabilities of the various assets. Indonesia confirmed an order for an initial two SIGMA corvettes in January 2004. The first of these, KRI Diponegoro, was floated out from Schelde’s Vlissingen covered dock in September last year to complete outfitting and undertake machinery system setting-to-work. Sea trials will commence shortly. Agreement was reached with Indonesia in May 2005 for two more ships, with the contract signed in January 2006.

http://idex.janes.com/docs/idex2007/sections/daily/day2/royal-schelde-corvette-pr.shtml

KRI Diponegoro (365) has started sea trials in the Netherlands, while KRI Hasanuddin (366) has just been launched and is currently fitting out. The other two vessels in the class: KRI Sultan Iskandar (367) and KRI Frans Kaisiepo (368) are still under various stages of construction in the Dutch yard. They are all of the Sigma design and fitted with COTS and MOTS equipment.

KRI Diponegoro (365)

KRI Hasanuddin (366)

Specs

I heard about a rumor that they changed the base concept from Dutch Sigma Corvette to Italian Commandante Class Corvette. However, there are no official news from the government and I am kind a afraid that it will be stuck in proposal process.

The navy or parliament seems to have some disagreement on the technical design of the ship. Moreover, there are some discrepancies between what the contract and the reality; for example, it was known that the last 2 of Sigma corvettes will be built in PT PAL in Surabaya but at the end they decided that it will be built in Dutch shipyard.

My government does not give an accurate information about it, they seems to avoid giving an exact statement about it.

thanks for this info, Tunasa! I thought that only the first two Sigma corvettes were scheduled to be built in the Nederlands. Is it official that De Schelde will build the next two Sigma?
X:)

I heard about a rumor that they changed the base concept from Dutch Sigma Corvette to Italian Commandante Class Corvette. However, there are no official news from the government and I am kind a afraid that it will be stuck in proposal process.

The navy or parliament seems to have some disagreement on the technical design of the ship. Moreover, there are some discrepancies between what the contract and the reality; for example, it was known that the last 2 of Sigma corvettes will be built in PT PAL in Surabaya but at the end they decided that it will be built in Dutch shipyard.

My government does not give an accurate information about it, they seems to avoid giving an exact statement about it.