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But, have you used the kit lenses as described above?

I’ve taken thousands of images with the old 18-55 kit lens (non-IS, the one regarded as worse than the newer one) and it’s worked perfectly fine. These were all taken with that lens and they’ve had exactly the same amount of sharpening as I use on my 70-200L f/4. Granted, images from that lens look better, but still…

Nowt wrong wi’em lad. No dramatic aberrations of any kind and the edits took me all of 30 seconds each in CS4. These are actually way, way sharper and cleaner than what I see most people produce with L series lenses of any focal length. I can’t bring myself to slate a lens I can get images like these out of. It’s not what you have, it’s what you do with it, and if you know what you’re doing then you can expect to get results like these consistently.

If you’re having such problems then you must have had a really, really bad copy. I’ve had two of these lenses and they’ve both given me results like these examples. I have to admit though, the little 50mm f/1.8 (if that’s the one you mean) is a cracker!

Paul

thanks for the info on the camera situation after long concideration and picking a few more brains mainly fred seggie:o and kevin wm:o i have decidd to opt or the Canon 450D so agian guys thanks for the help much appreciated.

Rab5869 Darkside Aviation

But still more than capable of good results if you know what you’re doing. Granted, my old 75-300 is nowhere near the league of my 70-200L but it’s still perfectly capable of producing good images if used well. Chromatic aberration can be a bit annoying though. Anyone blaming soft images exclusively on kit/low end lenses just doesn’t know how to use a camera!

Paul

The “Old” 75-300 is a classic, only surpassed by the later 70-300 IS USM (Me got) and of course any L series. But, have you used the kit lenses as described above? Any kind of aboration you like, good middle bad outer (As expected but it is markedly so). For snaps and record shots, the lens is perfect, it weighs next to nothing and is a handy walk-about.
But, get the picture into Lightroom or similar and it takes hours of selective corrections on the shifts. I wanted the Prime 50mm instead (It’s cheaper than the 18-55) but Jessies wouldn’t do it. Nobody was price matching Jess at the time, otherwise I wouldn’t have used them.

As for the Kit lenses, yes they are poor on the 450D and the 1000. Plastic rubbish, low cost glassware…

But still more than capable of good results if you know what you’re doing. Granted, my old 75-300 is nowhere near the league of my 70-200L but it’s still perfectly capable of producing good images if used well. Chromatic aberration can be a bit annoying though. Anyone blaming soft images exclusively on kit/low end lenses just doesn’t know how to use a camera!

Paul

Ohhhh no……

Paul

I wouldn’t downgrade from a 400D to a 1000.
I chose Canon 450D when it was a fortnight old, simply because it felt better in my suitcase sized hands than the Nikons of similar price.
Yes, it does appear slightly soft when direct from Camera. All digital images need a sharpen anyway (By their very nature) so Raw into Lightroom for Developing, into to Photoshop for fine tuning/cropping/printing. I also use Genuine Fractals if I’m upsizing from a severe crop.
As for the Kit lenses, yes they are poor on the 450D and the 1000. Plastic rubbish, low cost glassware. ASAP move up to “Gold Ringed” stuff or even better, L series.

Well, as long as you get Canon, its all good!:diablo:

Ohhhh no……

Paul

Well, as long as you get Canon, its all good!:diablo:

Rab,

Have you heard of the saying “If it isn’t broken, don’t fix it?”

My personal opinion is if you have a working 400D then don’t buy the 1000D. I can’t possibly see what benefits you would get that would warrant the extra expense.

Barry,

Slightly confused by your post. You mentioned that you would happily purchase the 1000D (even though you have a 400D) yet you advised Rab to stick with his 400D.

Just after some clarity….. Naturally.

Adam

The 1000 was brought out a a paired down and cheaper version of the 450D I believe……….. Ok I am about to possibly save you some money here

EBAY

Canon sell their Cameras on EBay that are refurbished, I often buy from them, Get your best price and do not go above it, this is what Canon say about them.

Types of Products Sold
(Refurbished / New)
The products sold on eBay are either classified as “new” or “refurbished” (see the beginning of this item description).

Refurbished products are 100% OK and therefore we can offer them with a 1 year manufacturer’s warranty. There is nothing wrong with these products! All refurbished products are sealed with an authentic Canon seal!

We just can’t sell a refurbished item as new because…

– …it was used as demo product (at trade fairs etc.), or

– …the outside carton box was slightly damaged during transportation (and then replaced by a neutral brown packaging), or

– …it was sold and the box was opened. Then the item got returned to Canon.

Upon return to our facility, a product of this type is put through a full set of functional test procedures, cleaned, repaired (if needed), and refreshed with a set of in-box materials (manuals, accessories, cables…) and sealed. The packaging of the product may either be the original Canon packaging or a neutral (brown) packaging. The core product itself may (exceptionally) contain minor cosmetic blemishes. Please contact us regarding product issues before leaving negative feedback on eBay – Thank you!

BUT YOU SHOULD SAVE A LOT

Linky

http://photography.shop.ebay.co.uk/Digital-Cameras-/31388/i.html?_catref=1&_fln=1&_ipg=&_ssn=canon_uk1&_trksid=p3911.c0.m282

Hope that helps,have had all sorts of them from printers to scanners for under £20. a lot of people I know get Cameras and lenses off them as well…. Saves a fair amount.

Speaking to staff in a large independent (i.e. not a retail chain) a while ago, the EOS1000D did not get a very good review compared to the EOS450D and the newer EOS500D. Cannot remember exactly what the issues are, but I think build quality may have been one of them – with a number having to be fixed or replaced by the manufacturer. Maybe that was only on the early deliveries, perhaps they fixed the problem on later ones.

The 500D is (reportedly) a far better bet, albeit more expensive.

Re Possible lack of Spot metering (as per black kettle’s post) – this might be an issue if trying to take backlit photos of (airborne) aircraft that don’t fill the majority of the frame?

Paul F (Happily soldiering on with my EOS350D)

P.S. Just remembered – Some(?) early 1000D’s had glitches with the autofocus which didn’t always pick up the main subject of the image, and instead focussed on unexpected aspects within the framed image resulting on slightly out of focus images. Paul F

I went through this same debate a couple of months ago and came to the conclusion that there wasnt much difference in the 1000D Canon and the D3000 Nikon.

I eventually went for the Nikon for two reasons.

1. The Nikon images look much better straight out of the camera. The Canon looks a bit soft.
2. The Niikon felt much more solid and well made.

I have to say I got it with the kit lens 18 – 55mm and it is ok but I now need another lens to get much closer and cannot decide which one to buy.

On saying all of the above if you have had a 400D then maybe you already have some Canon lenses. If this is the case then another Canon is probably the best solution.

Hope this helps.

Hi
I have 2 x 400d’s but would cheerfully buy a 1000D and indeed have recommended to my brother rather than 450D.I believe for our hobby the couple of features lacking (I believe spot metering is one?) are irrelevant.
Presumably lenses are not an issue if you already had one or more with the 400D…….BTW did that pack up,’cos if not I’d stick with it?
Hope this helps you deliberations

Barry

funny that Rab, i was looking at the same camera yesterday at Jessops, and i have to say that i don’t like the feel of the lens (15-55mm), for me it’s too small and had a plasticky sort of feel, but i was looking at the Nikon D3000 at the same time, but we all have different preferences.