July 28, 2005 at 11:47 pm
Hi,
I was looking for some technical information on the Sky Watch 3D radar system that had been fitted on admiral gorshkov and Admiral Kuznetsov. The Russians had fitted planar array radar system as early as 1987 on the baku. Not sure if they were the first to do it, but it was sure an innovation at that time. Also which area did the radar fail in performance?
By the way what is admiral gorshkov’s final electronic fit when transfered to India? I am sure some of the Indian EW systems would be part of it.
With Regards,
By: Meteorit - 1st August 2005 at 09:48
One thing that intrigues me about Mars-Passat is whether the Soviets tested it on ground in a similar fashion as the US built an AEGIS test site inland.
I wonder if there is some sort of carrier island sitting in the middle of a desert somewhere in the ex-Soviet Far East.
Thougths?
By: snake65 - 31st July 2005 at 22:48
What I was able to get out from Russian forums amounts to following. Mars-Passat was intended to combine long range detection with handling of incoming low altitude targets, total number of targets handled simultaneously – 80. It was to replace Voshod and Fregat medium/long range radars and Podkat radar for low altitude targets. It looks that the problem was lying in switching the beam between all four antennae to create 360 coverage. The system was installed on Baku, but only worked in single channel mode. Till 1991 the system constantly tested and was nearly workable, but then the USSR crashed and the producer was left in independent Ukraine. On Kuznecov there were only the antennae installed and the posts for other hardware were empty.
Most of the information on MP-700 Podberezovik is in Russian. It’s similar in construction to Fregat only larger, and works in C band (instead of of E and H for Fregat), detection range is 500 km, detection height 40km, fighter can be detected at 240-400 km, a missile at 45-70km. It was intended as replacement of MP-600 Voshod in Flag radar complex. Allegedly,mode for detection of low altitude targets has been introduced using mono-pulse narrow beam, so it can replace Podkat as well.
There is link from MilParade, it has information translated in English:
http://www.milparade.com/catalog/pdf/572.pdf
By: presanna - 31st July 2005 at 09:25
Thankx guys. Just to clear the air here… I never said Sky watch is being retained. All I meant to show with the pix was that It is still some kind of phased array radar. Now, can someone provide more information regarding the new radar pl? I tried google and came up with not much content.
With Regards,
By: JonS - 30th July 2005 at 14:39
sky watch wasnt operational in gorshkov hence it will removed during refit and large radar you noted is the planar array Podberezovik-E has 500 km range will be used in ADS and other IN vessels as well.
By: sealordlawrence - 30th July 2005 at 14:05
If you look carefully at the pictures you posted the sjywatch antennaes have been removed on the model, becouse the system is not being procured by the IN.
By: presanna - 30th July 2005 at 13:33
I checked on SCANFAR and it is a earlier ver for AN/SPY-1 phased array systems. SKY WATCH should be developed to a Aegis like system. phased array is a much capable system than the mechanical scanning systems that may be installed.Also it makes the super structure look clean.
Comparing the before and after refit pictures of Gorshkov from bharat-rakshak


There does not seem to be much change and the after refit does seem to contain a phased array system and not conventional mechanical-scan system.
Also discarding the Sky Watch not require a design change in the superstructure? Vyrag had its superstructure changed.
With Regards,
By: sealordlawrence - 30th July 2005 at 12:24
Gorshkov will have all trace of the Sky watch system removed, before being handed to India. By battle management system, it is probably meant that the radar was to be used as part of a massive command and control system, similar to an AWAACs but on a ship and probably on a larger and more capable scale.
By: presanna - 30th July 2005 at 04:12
Thankx dan. Come on Guys… Nearly 50 people have viewed and just one reply?
I tried finding the EW fit for gorshkov b4 posting it here but could not find any current link. I vaguely remember that an Indian company, state-owned Kerala State Electronics, was to provide the Dual Channel Under Water Telephone (UWT). Other than that, I have no information.
Anyways, I went thru the pdf and it said
“From what is known, it was planned as a highly sophisticated integrated air-battle management system, in many respects resembling the SCANFAR principle rather than the contemporary aegis. It was clearly not meant to provide weapons control in the manner that Aegis/SPY-1 controls SM-2 missiles in flight.”
What does integrated air-battle management system do? Does it mean it acts as a AWACS?
“What is known is that severe problems were encountered with the system software rather than the actual hardware.”
Is this system going to be when gorshkov is delivered to IN or is it going to be replaced?
Atleast if we try to find the new EW fit, this thread can be a reference source.
With Regards,
By: danrh - 29th July 2005 at 02:46
You’ll find some info here
Ship board phased array radars
Daniel