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Information sought on crashed aircraft.

I am hopeful someone can tell me the type of aircraft pictured here and also the circumstances behind the crash, place date etc. With thanks, David.

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By: Bager1968 - 17th August 2014 at 03:38

Or the kickstand that is just visible extending below the pedal.

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By: snafu - 16th August 2014 at 21:37

Strong winds in those parts…;o)

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By: Rosevidney1 - 16th August 2014 at 21:25

Not trying to drift the thread but what is keeping the bicycle upright? Can it be the invisible man?

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By: snafu - 16th August 2014 at 20:19

Is this picture any more clear?

A good quality scan of the rear from the ‘C’ aft would be great – all I can still make out is that the serial ends in 5. Probably.

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By: Jagan - 16th August 2014 at 19:37

What insignia would the aircraft wear after transfer to the Indian Air Force?

David, it would have had a “Checkerboard” pattern /band on the rear fuselage – like this one.

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By: David Layne - 16th August 2014 at 18:34

Is this picture any more clear?

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By: David Layne - 16th August 2014 at 18:29

What insignia would the aircraft wear after transfer to the Indian Air Force?

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By: Jagan - 16th August 2014 at 17:50

These photos are probably from its career earlier with the RAF. And that black band (or red) suggests 5 Sqn?

I failed to note that there were two black bands (both narrow).. So I will go with Paul McMillan’s original assertion that this is from 31 Squadron.

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By: David Layne - 15th August 2014 at 23:39

Thanks Jagan and snafu

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By: Jagan - 15th August 2014 at 22:56

Wonderful Pictures. Having finished a book on the Westland Wapiti (Due to be out soon) , i have a special entry in it for the Wapiti K1289.

These photos are probably from its career earlier with the RAF. And that black band (or red) suggests 5 Sqn?

It ended up with the Indian Air Force No.1 Squadron in 1939..

Though it was forcelanded at Pushtakara in that 1941 incident, the aircraft was recovered the very next day by the Flight Commander , who flew it back Peshawar. I assume the aircraft was SOC soon after .

I should add, I have one photos of the ac in the book. from its days of No.27 Sqn RAF where it has ‘H’ code on the forward fuselage and dark band.. Based on info I have – in its no.1 Squadron IAF , it had the checkerboard markings (instead of the band) and carried the code W on the nose in Red. so the photo in this thread predates both these periods

I cant make out the serial in the second photo.. will try and see what comes up..

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By: snafu - 15th August 2014 at 22:52

It looks like 31 Sqn North West Frontier to me The incident to K1289 would be an earlier one than 1941 to me

Guess such information didn’t always make it back to get attached to the AM records – full info is: Deld to PD (Packing Depot) 9/12/30; AD (Aircraft Depot) Drigh Road 1/5/31; 31 Sqn; 5 Sqn; 27 Sqn coded ‘H’; 1 IAF – then the information I gave earlier and I forgot to add SOC 17/7/42. No dates for any of the squadrons and, from the picture, it is obviously not coded ‘H’…!

I am not experienced enough to say that it is written off in the photo and since The K File has an image of a rather smashed up K1130 which crashed at Sulaimania 9/8/32 and was returned to service after rebuild by the Aircraft Depot at Hinaidi, maybe it was a little premature of me to assume that the first photo signalled its demise.

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By: David Layne - 15th August 2014 at 14:07

David do you know where those photos were taken ? It looks like 31 Sqn North West Frontier to me The incident to K1289 would be an earlier one than 1941 to me

Unfortunately no Paul, the photos came from a friend whose father (Frederick Frost) was in the R.A.F., I am trying to find out more information about them. Frost was shot down with 620 Squadron and was held by the Gestapo and the photographs were in his effects. I am endeavouring to find out more about Frost.

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By: AlanR - 15th August 2014 at 13:29

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Ah yes, didn’t consider that 🙂

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By: Arabella-Cox - 15th August 2014 at 13:13

What is that on top of the wing, in the first picture ?

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By: paulmcmillan - 15th August 2014 at 12:50

David do you know where those photos were taken ? It looks like 31 Sqn North West Frontier to me The incident to K1289 would be an earlier one than 1941 to me

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By: AlanR - 15th August 2014 at 12:48

What is that on top of the wing, in the first picture ?
A bit early for a camera.

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By: David Layne - 15th August 2014 at 12:43

Thank you snafu. Would that have been an R.A.F. pilot or an Indian pilot as it’s 1 IAF?

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By: snafu - 15th August 2014 at 12:21

K1289: 1 IAF Squadron, engine cut, forcelanded in field, Pushtakhara, near Peshawar, 30/6/41, according to Air Britain’s The K File.

Can’t make out the serial for the other one.

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By: Paul F - 15th August 2014 at 12:05

Hi David,

yes I believe they are both Wapitis

Cheers
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By: David Layne - 15th August 2014 at 11:48

Thanks, are they both Wapitis?

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