June 1, 2012 at 4:38 am
will anti ship missile using ir or iir seeker like AGM-119 or NSM be useless if the enemy ship is equip with something like intermat or Camuflaje Adaptiv:confused:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jxAeA7IU-c
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14788009
http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/camouflage/intermat/
By: Wanshan - 7th June 2012 at 20:46
will anti ship missile using ir or iir seeker like AGM-119 or NSM be useless if the enemy ship is equip with something like intermat or Camuflaje Adaptiv:confused:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jxAeA7IU-c
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14788009
http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/camouflage/intermat/
The pixels can also be resized to achieve stealth at different ranges. For example, larger objects like buildings or warships might not require close-up stealth and may be fitted with larger panels to display a lower resolution image
A similar system is also under development in israel – ‘Invisible Reactive Armor Protection (IRAP)’ utilizing the ‘Blax Fox’ thermal camouflage system from Eltics and IMI’s hybrid armor technology. In the U.S., DARPA and the U.S. Army research and development center have pursued similar capabilities for future spirals of the ‘Manned Ground Vehicle’ – the core maneuver element of the now terminated Future Combat System.
http://defense-update.com/20110905_bae-adaptiv_camouflage.html
Seems there are some trade offs involved (long v short range ‘cloaking’). And so long as your missile can take extrernal inputs, you can always get a shot it, I suppose.
By: Wanshan - 7th June 2012 at 20:34
will anti ship missile using ir or iir seeker like AGM-119 or NSM be useless if the enemy ship is equip with something like intermat or Camuflaje Adaptiv:confused:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jxAeA7IU-c
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14788009
http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/camouflage/intermat/
The target selection technology provides NSM with a capacity for independent detection, recognition, and discrimination of targets at sea or on the coast. This is possible by the combination of an imaging infrared (IIR) seeker and an onboard target database. NSM is able to navigate by GPS, inertial and terrain reference systems. A multi-role version of the NSM is in development. This missile is called Joint Strike Missile (JSM) and will feature an option for ground strike and a two-way communications line, so that the missile can communicate with the central control room or other missiles in the air. Like its Penguin predecessor, NSM is able to fly over and around landmasses, travel in sea skim mode, and then make random manoeuvres in the terminal phase, making it harder to stop by enemy countermeasures
source: various wiki’s
By: SpudmanWP - 2nd June 2012 at 06:50
Or maybe all those flares and chaff are not as effective as you think.
By: moon_light - 2nd June 2012 at 05:41
So you’re of the opinion that missile development has stopped and they are stuck with whatever tech they have now?
no but i just wonder why they dont put new seeker (like LADAR or AESA radar ) on the developing anti ship missile like SOM or NSM 🙁 all new western anti ship missiles use normal radar seeker or imaging infrared which can be easily foil by decoy ,ECM or block by a screen of chaff , flare
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_36_SRBOC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTp4GlM3Lk8&
By: SpudmanWP - 2nd June 2012 at 01:33
^
but almost every IIR anti ship missile are scene matching ( target’s image stored in the missile ) so if the target ir signature can be change these missile will be useless
So you’re of the opinion that missile development has stopped and they are stuck with whatever tech they have now?
By: ppp - 1st June 2012 at 19:29
Is it a nuclear EMP missile? 😎
By: moon_light - 1st June 2012 at 19:13
^
but almost every IIR anti ship missile are scene matching ( target’s image stored in the missile ) so if the target ir signature can be change these missile will be useless
By: SpudmanWP - 1st June 2012 at 06:24
IR management has one drawback… Where are you going to dump the heat that is generated by not only the vehicle itself, but the cooling system as well?
There is also the issue of what IR signature you are tying to emulate… The empty sky behind you as seen by a sea-skimming missile or the cold ocean below you as seen by a missile doing a plunging attack? You cannot emulate both so you will show up on something. There is also the issue of newer seekers evolving into Multi-Spectral in nature to defeat this type of single-mode seeker defeat camo.
Last, but not least, movement. How would you compensate quick enough for wave action and its effect on the background heat signature depending on what angle the seeker is looking from.
Given all of that you will soon realize that hiding one’s IR signature based on unmoving land background vs the ever-changing seascape means this will not be put to sea nay time soon.