Instrument panel parts ID

is it possible to identify the fighter with the serialnumber of the gun camera part?

maybe I can research more with a “losses-by-date” database from typhoon and tempest fighter. but I knowing no website about this.

Nope, sorry.

is it possible to identify the fighter with the serialnumber of the gun camera part?

maybe I can research more with a “losses-by-date” database from typhoon and tempest fighter. but I knowing no website about this.

Shot in the dark

The only one I could find is the next:

May 4th, 1945 Operations near the Kiel Peninsula
Tempest V 486 NZ squadron JN877 engine faillure, crash landed near Satrup. Pilot injured and taken POW claimed at first by flak but later claimed shot down west of Barsinghausen by a JG1 pilot flying a He162. Is this near Kiel?

Without a date, year or precise location it is almost impossible to pinpoint which aircraft it was.

Cees

The depth of knowledge on this forum never ceases to amaze me.

It’s well known that Gloster built virtually all Typhoons and according to Putnam’s Hawker Aircraft since whenever, Tempests were only built by Hawker and Bristol so it would seem to be a Typhoon.

…And before someone connected to IWM Duxford comes on the Board to publically chastise me, I’ve just looked at my photos again and the Oil Temperature Gauge is a correct Mk. IA, reading 0 – 100 degrees.

I was squinting and saw the Radiator Temperature Gauge, which is the one reading 0 – 140 degrees.

My apologies!

As I remember right, the Hawker Typhoon and Tempest both had four wing mounted 20mm guns.
Cheers,
Herbert

a old men told me (he was after the crash by the crashlocation), the guns looks vertical out of the ground right and left from the aircraft (after recovered). two oder three on both sides. have the tempest this guns on board ?

Spitfire stuff

Hello Al, hello Cees!
Nice to hear about you again!
You´re right, I know a lot about
“Oh-so-scarce-and-extremely-expensive-if-you-wish-to-buy-one” U/C indicators,
further the
“Oh-so-scarce-and-extremely-expensive-if-you-might-ever-find-one” flap valves
and the
“Oh-so-scarce-and-extremely-expensive-but-you-will-never-get-one” trim indicators
and finally the
“Oh-so-scarce-and-extremely-expensive-you-will-never-get-mine” spade grips
They make the collector´s life quite tough! 😀
Thanks to all for your help!
Cheers,
Herbert

The AHO parts are brake/air line parts produced by Dunlop.

The G5 stamps denote Gloster built

The A, B part numbers denote a Hawker part numbering scheme (used on the Hawker and Gloster built examples)

The propensity for 6 digit A numbers denote a Typhoon or Tempest. The Typhoon, I believe had a bakelite rudder trim handle, whereas your looks like metal. My educated guess would be a Tempest.

here are all parts with numbers:

216B (JSMS I) (in circle) A3485
B968491 (G5677) (in circle)
A101347/…B (G5346) (in circle)
A98 4 (G5407) (in circle) (G5Z…) (in circle)
CON / ELEC 7186 C7C
AGS566D (…&R) (in circle)
(VL6) (in circle)
B.B.L.5 89 1/1
B.B.L.9 89 1/1
OIL TEMP 0-20-40-60-80-100
…DER STBD BIAS
D103194-3991-1
5X/1524
A116997 (G5774) (in circle)
PATENT 61/6 (M.B.L.B. 2) (in circle)
A958?8 (G5190) (in circle)
103216 S1 (PS??749) (in circle)
A14027 (G5623) (in circle)
BI1)?38?
AI 26 47 I
1 A103468
AH015706 (R725) (in circle)
AI 26943 (G5878) (in circle)
HLP A”Krone”M 5D/5I5

notice: I have found a lot of broken 20mm ammunition with stemps from uk-producer

Hi folks,

A 5C/1008 u/c indicator suggests a retractable tailwheel.

That should narrow it down considerably if it was a fighter or fighter-bomber.

Assuming these items were found somewhere in Western Europe (?), my guess would centre around a Typhoon or Tempest, given that most of the British alternatives had either fixed tailwheels or, in the case of the later Spitfire/Seafire variants with retractable tail wheels, they continued to use those “Oh-so-scarce-and-extremely-expensive-if-you-wish-to-buy-one” squarish chassis indicators instead of the 5C/1008 type. Herbert will know all about those!

But really, I’d like to know more about the location and date of the crash, etc, before being confident about it all. And I don’t recognise that last item, so it’s not providing any clues.

Regards!

The oil temp gauge is quite low, and was fitted to many aircraft types. The 1008 certainly could be Typhoon/Tempest

Hi Nils, and thanks for the extra details. It all seems consistant with a Typhoon or Tempest, probably in the closing months of the war. Both types would have had the G45 camera, 5C/1008 undercarriage indicator and Mk. IA oil temperature gauge (the Duxford Typhoon cockpit has a Mk. IH gauge reading 0 – 140 degrees, but I think this is a case of “what fits” since all my wartime references show the 0 – 100 degree scale).

Perhaps someone on the Board has the Fighter Command Losses series of books and could check to see whether Typhoons and Tempests operated in that area? I’m pretty sure, from reading Pierre Clostermann etc, that they did and I expect losses were heavy, making the positive identification of this example very hard to pin down.

Glad to hear the pilot survived, though!

Ah! Just seen your next message with part nos etc and can see some starting G5…. This suggests a Gloster built aircraft. I know they built Typhoons but did they also build Tempests, anyone?

@mark:

I hope to find the correct aircraft. so I can research for a crashdate by Kiel of this typ of fighters. I have no information about a crashdate…

Definately some Hawker part numbers in amongst that lot…

here are all parts with numbers:

216B (JSMS I) (in circle) A3485
B968491 (G5677) (in circle)
A101347/…B (G5346) (in circle)
A98 4 (G5407) (in circle) (G5Z…) (in circle)
CON / ELEC 7186 C7C
AGS566D (…&R) (in circle)
(VL6) (in circle)
B.B.L.5 89 1/1
B.B.L.9 89 1/1
OIL TEMP 0-20-40-60-80-100
…DER STBD BIAS
D103194-3991-1
5X/1524
A116997 (G5774) (in circle)
PATENT 61/6 (M.B.L.B. 2) (in circle)
A958?8 (G5190) (in circle)
103216 S1 (PS??749) (in circle)
A14027 (G5623) (in circle)
BI1)?38?
AI 26 47 I
1 A103468
AH015706 (R725) (in circle)
AI 26943 (G5878) (in circle)
HLP A”Krone”M 5D/5I5

notice: I have found a lot of broken 20mm ammunition with stemps from uk-producer

As Cees says you have the cover from the film cartridge of the standard G45 gun camera there so it’s safe to assume it is indeed a fighter.

I think I agree with the other posters too and would go for a Typhoon or Tempest given that, with the 3-light chassis indicator, it must have a retractable tailwheel (or be a tricycle undercarriage!!!).

As far as I’m aware both the Typhoon and Tempest used the round style of Oil Temp gauge, rather than the later type with the ‘half-round’ glass as used in the later Spits and Mosquito for example, so that fits too.

First picture of the next batch must be a section of rudder trim wheel.

From here I’m not sure how you’d determine between Typhoon or Tempest though with what you have. Sorry, not much help I know.

here more pics from the fighter:
part-numbers following in the next half our…

Darn, I am not paying attention today, the lid is actually part of the filmcassette as fitted inside the guncamera. 😮

Cees

Hi Nils,

The first photo shows the lid of a guncamera which will confirm that it is from a fighter(bomber). The other is as you say a brake pad.

Any partnumbers on the wreckage?

Cheers

Cees

hello !

the picture and parts are the parts from my research.
the crashdate is unknown, no month, no jear known 🙁

it is sure to be a fighter. i was shot down by a mobil-AAA of a train near kiel / germany. the fighter a startes to fly up to altitude, the pilot get out.
the fighter crash vertical in a forest. he was recovered during the war. the pilot go to pow.

now I have found two parts of the brakes: two brake shoes. maybe it is possible to clear whis this part more about the fighter.

greetings from Kiel

nils

Hi folks,

A 5C/1008 u/c indicator suggests a retractable tailwheel.

That should narrow it down considerably if it was a fighter or fighter-bomber.

Assuming these items were found somewhere in Western Europe (?), my guess would centre around a Typhoon or Tempest, given that most of the British alternatives had either fixed tailwheels or, in the case of the later Spitfire/Seafire variants with retractable tail wheels, they continued to use those “Oh-so-scarce-and-extremely-expensive-if-you-wish-to-buy-one” squarish chassis indicators instead of the 5C/1008 type. Herbert will know all about those!

But really, I’d like to know more about the location and date of the crash, etc, before being confident about it all. And I don’t recognise that last item, so it’s not providing any clues.

Regards!