Interested in Bf-109s? You Should Definitely Have A Peek Here

The G-12 at MeierMotors is proceeding nicely.

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All pics taken from MeierMotors Facebook site, Copyright for all pics: Matthias Dorst / MeierMotors
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Michael

Nice!

A shot by Simon Morrison taken at Tablada in Spain prior to location shooting for the BoB film the UK.

Mark

I had the opportunity for a flight in an ME108 yesterday (well a Nord 1002) through a relative of a friend, basically the aircraft was made by Messerschmitt in 1945 and then shipped in pieces to be assembled in France and an inverted Renault engine (220HP) strapped to the front.

Fantastic experience and a real sense of history, everything is basic, rods, cables and chains, with all the controls machined from solid. She flew very sweetly if LOUD in the cockpit, extremely stable in pitch with very responsive ailerons but my feet had to work very hard to keep her balanced in the turns, the trick is to lead with rudder and then use a bootfull of adverse rudder to maintain the turn. It would make a very stable but maneuvrable gun platform… ;);)

This aircraft was ahead of its day when designed in 1933 with an aluminium stressed-skin airframe, they weren’t allowed to make fighters in those days so a fast trainer, communications and mail plane was the closest they were allowed to get….and was Genesis for the BF109 when they decided to ignore the restrictions

It is a 4 seater with a long, narrow cabin, huge glass doors make it easy to get in and out, although you can’t avoid standing on the seat. The stick between the seats is for pumping the undercarriage up and down, 40 pumps each time!!

We did some general Low-level hooning around

Kind of a interesting feeling to see green fields of England below a German-crossed Wing:

Cooling down after our sortie:

A fantastic experience!

Not a Bf109G-12… but a two seat Buchon stored by Connie Edwards at Big Spring, Texas circa 2007:

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This image, long with other single seat examples, was originally posted here but has long since vanished from the post…

Cheers
Pete

I was not aware that there was any part of a G-12 surviving at all. It is a remarkable survivor.

Oh nice, will it be at Legends. Oh alright I’ll get my coat. seriously though that will be a brilliant achievement when completed. judging by the standard of their other work this will be a fantastic addition to the warbird preservation scene.
I love Eric Brown’s way with words. Wings On My Sleeve is full of similar blunt comments. Which makes me think I must read that again soon.

Is that an original G-12 cockpit canopy frame?

Yes, it is an original canopy frame, used as template AFAIK. For the interior installation of the second seat they will use photos and measurement they took at Prag-Kbely´s aeronautical museum. They have an Avia CS-199 there, in fact a G-12, but with different engine and different (sliding) canopy. No original G-12 survived anywhere.

Michael

Is that an original G-12 cockpit canopy frame?

It for sure is a long way to the finished product, but the G-12 project seems to come along quite nicely…. Hoping to be able to get a ride in it when finished. Started to save money already, lol… 😉

http://www.meiermotors.com/de/component/content/article/157-messerschmitt-bf109-g-12.html?start=1

Michael

Wow!

Here is another project I only recently discovered: Bf 109e. It looks like a new build replica.
http://hegis-me109.blogspot.co.nz/

I guess it depends if you want a difficult engine to keep in the air or a Merlin which seems comparitively easy in comparison!

Or just use the parts from the Edwards stash to make a complete aircraft…?

As has been said, the M4L and the G-12 are quite different.

I think it would even be cheaper to buy this aircraft from Mr. Edwards, restore the fuselage, take the still fully intact wings and tailsection from the damaged Buchon and after two years of work you will have an aircraft which nobody wants to have- a two seat Buchon! (Of course, I would like to have one). So I think the option to convert this aircraft into a G12 is the better one. If this project will leave the hangar, it will be a high standard airworthy replica of a BF 109 G12, which was built at much higher standards than the original coverted G12 aircrafts. Not more and not less.

It does make a Spitfire TR.IX look like Marilyn Monroe in comparison! I would have thought it would be easier to speak to Connie Edwards and ask to use his Buchon two seater as a template to convert another Buchon to twin stick.

Hmm, standard Buchon is a bit ‘neither fish nor fowl’. Buchon with DB engine and dual controls – nice project, I just don’t see any value in it!

But where´s the value to build up the 45th (or so) flying Spitfire or Mustang around the only remaining part of the aircraft, it´s data plate? I think we should be happy with any interesting Warbird, which will fly again. And the G12 will be interesting for shure. Just my opinion.

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Wow!
I think this will be one of the most interesting warbird projects for the next two or three years. I didn´t expect a two seat “BF 109” to get airborn again.

Blimey,that reads like some sort of horror story especially from such an experienced ,highly trained and gifted pilot.I hope the new owners/pilots have good insurance.

Well, I do believe the pilots wanting to get conversion training today will definitely have clocked more hours than the rookie Luftwaffe pilots. In early 1944 the average fighterpilot had 160 hours total flying time when transferring to the operational unit, later in ´44 that was further reduced to 112 hours average. This consisted of 2 hrs. gliders, 50 hrs. primary training, 40 hrs. advanced training, and only 20 hrs. operational training (average timeframe then: 5 months). So when flying a G-12 they had around 92 hours. And the trainer might not be the best around either. I believe anybody trying a conversion training today, will be better suited, having a lot more hours on high performance taildraggers. And a trainer today would not fly the G-12 singleseated from the rear seat. And the additional idea is, to be able to offer joyrides. Though they will not be cheap, one or another might want to experience the 109 from the rear seat as a passenger as well.

Michael