International Criminal Court to investigate British troops

ok if you want honest,i believe going into iraq was the correct thing to do, i was there for the invasion and went back again in 2006 when we lost 3 of our people to ground fire( lynx xz614 shot down over basra 060506) and believe that getting rid of saddam was correct, also believe that getting rid of the taliban is a good thing,humans make mistakes epecially when under stress and scared thats when abuse happens,it is not a part of policy. As for trolling i could hardly dare to match you, could i?

should never stoop to the kind of levels that terrorists resort to;

I didn’t know that we ever had snaff – I have never heard of any army personnel wearing explosive vests or engaging in indiscriminate IED/bombing against soft civilian targets…the trouble is – in certain countries our guys are not fighting uniformed soldiers/troops etc which makes everything a tad more complicated !All an ‘irregular’ fighter has to do to become a ‘civilian’ is to throw away his weapon…not an easy situation for any troops to deal with.
As I said before some investigations may be ok but the trouble is (and as with many things in life) they will go for the easy targets (ie our troops) when there is probably much worse violence going on all the time (and on a much larger scale) against women/children/their own people who are seen as belonging to different population control fiction factions !

our troops should never be out of the control of senior officers and certainly not untrained in any aspect…

Good luck with that ; ) the ‘senior’ officers will be back at base on the end of a radio much of the time !

I would have thought that most patrol/small unit leaders would normally be SNCO’s or the senior survivor after an engagement !

BUT we – being British, stiff upper lip and all that – should never stoop to the kind of levels that terrorists resort to; we have those rules exactly for that reason, because our troops represent Britain and our lofty ideals and beliefs.
They, the terrorists or resistance as they might call themselves, on the other hand, would not be as organised and, since they would have not had any specific central command with the ability to take or make immediate decisions, they would be able to claim (metaphorically, since it would never come to it) that it was down to the invariably untrained irregular militant individual who was out of their control – our troops should never be out of the control of senior officers and certainly not untrained in any aspect…

The British military are an organised force with rules and regulations to follow; it would be difficult to apply a similar investigation to the irregulars fighting at the time in Iraq…

Exactry… Bingo…. they do not have any rules and have not signed the Geneva Convention…
I think it would be extremely naive to expect any soldiers who have seen the horrors of terrorist warfare to behave like angels,I probably wouldn’t – then again (like the majority of people) – I am not perfect ; )

I shall overlook your early bedtime…

Thank you for – somebody, at last! – reacting to the initial post.
In this case what is the other side that needs to be investigated? The British military are an organised force with rules and regulations to follow; it would be difficult to apply a similar investigation to the irregulars fighting at the time in Iraq…
And since the military already has set up the Iraq Historical Allegations Team (four years ago) they obviously feel there is something to be investigated, either to clear or prosecute presumably.

Short posts without trolling and with just 1 or 2 quotes will get much better results than long diatribes and 10 – 20 quotes LOL

Tried short posts. Didn’t work for me. People start replying before I get the gist of my own reply across and I start missing out other, sometimes more important, posts. And putting post numbers instead of quotes doesn’t direct the reader toward the section of the post being answered and, as we found recently, gets confusing when somebody deletes their posts because the numbers don’t get deleted too…

Snaff….

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PS – investigations may be ok if they look at both sides !

Short posts without trolling and with just 1 or 2 quotes will get much better results than long diatribes and 10 – 20 quotes LOL

no different to someone starting a ‘discussion’ purely to get a rise, judging by the amount of threads you’ve started that appears to be yr only motive.

Ho ho – somebody childishly bleats “na-na ne-na-nah, you post lots of threads!” So I retort in a similar vein…and you’ve started precisely how many?
But I digress.

Problem or solution: my motive is to start a discussion on a board that is frequently boring: purely that, a solution.
Notice that I deliberately did not make any comment at the head of the page, first post.
Notice that I have not yet made a comment on the actual subject of the thread, but it must be said that neither has anybody else – so should we make an assumption about the feelings of the usually very vocal members who usually come to the defence of the military, no matter how distasteful the reason for the thread might be? Or should we just chuckle about what happened in the latest edition of Top Gear (like normal)?
Notice that the usual type of post posted is usually of the not awfully interested in discussion type.
Notice that many here are not interested in seeing the world away from their cosy existance.
Notice that many of the ex-military types refuse to even contemplate the idea that the military do occasionally do things wrong in the eyes of the law that making interesting reading to our countries enemies and terrorists eager for reasons to tempt fence sitters. (And if it has got to this stage then me posting something here that has made the national news isn’t going to alert them)

Your motive, at this point, appears to be to, um, ‘troll’ me into not asking questions, to prevent discussion, and (maybe?) start a flame war. You point out that I have started quite a few threads and I ask you in return which ones you believe are unnecessary AND why?
Alternatively, being part of the problem, you can just carry on sniping from the sidelines like the troll your post above reveals you to be?

……yes.

Like I said, suit yourself.

What is your solution (see above)?

[general question not aimed at anybody]Can I guess your collective solution is to ignore the really difficult questions by picking on the person asking those question?
Maybe you don’t care. Maybe you believe that they had it coming, they are lying, they are foreign and therefore deserved it – I don’t know, I’ve tried asking but you snipe about trolling. Maybe you believe our soldiers did do naughty things to foreign nationals that would be frowned upon in court – like that marine who executed that wounded Taliban on camera – but are scared to stick your head up and be counted? like I said, I don’t know since nobody is answering.
Maybe you should just reserve your thread reading to those concerning how great Top Gear is or your favourite shoe polish…[/general question not aimed at anybody]

Is it me ……….?

……yes.

no different to someone starting a ‘discussion’ purely to get a rise, judging by the amount of threads you’ve started that appears to be yr only motive.

Suit yourself.

Is it me or does it seem strange that people come on general discussion and post that they don’t want to discuss?

Just in case you cannot see further than your ego, the question was actually to anyone who cared to answer.

But if you really do not wish to answer can we make up you answer anyway?;o)

Trolling me will not work.

Mr Phil Shiner has history…..

“More than a year after a public inquiry opened into claims that British troops in Iraq unlawfully killed up to 20 civilians, the central charge has now been withdrawn. Public Interest Lawyers (PIL), the human rights law firm acting for the families of the alleged victims, told the hearing that they now accepted that there was no evidence to substantiate the claims. So far some £22 million has been spent on the so-called al-Sweady inquiry, named after one of those who died. Opening in March last year, it has sat for 167 days and heard evidence from 280 witnesses.”

I am not holding my breath for anything to come out of the ICC investigation other than lots more money for the lawyers, indirectly paid for by us.

Trolling me will not work. endex.

Just in case you cannot see further than your ego, the question was actually to anyone who cared to answer.

But if you really do not wish to answer can we make up you answer anyway?;o)

And what does ‘endex’ mean anyway? I have an idea, but this is not a military operation so please resurface in the real world, noduff.

Or me Snafu, endex +1

people like you would be up in arms and baying for blood – am I right?

Trolling me will not work. endex.

???

You should be so lucky! Meanwhile, try answering the question…

Trolling me will not work.

Depends on your point of view, does it not? And from that we can work out what yours is…

I always try to work out how I would feel if those accused had practiced their ‘art’ against Britons, and I think it would be fair to say that if the accusations were true then people like you would be up in arms and baying for blood – am I right?

Another non-news story.