Iranian Space and Missile discussion thread

This is actually funny…. Iran is never going to launch an offensive first and where does that nukes come from??

What we can see and what many stupid Indians cannot see is the double-standards of Isreal and West. Iran issue has nothing to do with an Islamic nation getting nukes. But it has to do with containing Iran from becoming an even powerful regional power and the West getting hold of wast Iranian oil & gas. If the issue was to stop of Islamic nation from getting nukes, Israel shud have used its enormous power in the US to stop Pakistan from getting the Nukes. But they did not, b’coz ….

The FACT is – Israel can live with an Islamic & unstable Pakistan with Nukes, becase Pakistan is not a threat to Israel which is doubly gauranteed by US & the West that Pakistani nukes are meant just for India! :p

Where as if at all Iran gets nuke capablity, the situation in the mid-east will become a STALEMATE as Israel will not be able to launch & win wars against the Arab military OR do occational military campaigns in the Palestanian areas, b’coz their blackmail of Nuke-attack (like they employed in past major wars) would be nullified! And thats the major reason why Israel cannot afford to see Iran getting any N-capablity. Arguments that Iran will blow-out Israel once they get N-capablity is rather stupid as Iranians are not stupid enough to endanger their own existance.

Now, why is that India is so worried about Iranian N-capablity???….. should India & Indians actually worry when we have got good old Pakistan by our side?? ….. I’d say definetely not. Iran is not a Threat to India! But when will our decision makers who are bankrolled by dollars understand this….

There is a lot India can gain from Iran —
1) Oil & Gas
2) Strategic basing in East Iran – a direct access to Balochistan & Afghanistan
(i just can find a good reason why the stupids even went for a base in central asia…..probably map-reading went thoroughly wrong?!:dev2:)

India does have more gains from Iran.Indo-Iranian relation ship was more of an economical and strategic(no mil exchanges). India needs Iranian oil and gas,and its ports to move indian goods to CAR.while Iran needs indian goods.
currently the trade to Iran happens through UAE and other arabian republics.
Iran cant be simply left out of Indian foreign policy.who cares what US and west thinks about iran.Every country has thier own national interests,India is not a US pimp to wagg its tail when US says so.

Nebo radar in Irán?

http://planeman-bluffersguide.blogspot.com/2010/04/advanced-russian-radar-site-defending.html

That will be disturbing for a stealth attacker. Although Nebo can’t track stealth targets, it likely can provide warning and detection data.

Article from Strategy Page

Israel has threatened to retaliate with nukes if Israel is hit with chemical or nuclear warheads.

Source: http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/hticbm/articles/20091223.aspx

This is actually funny…. Iran is never going to launch an offensive first and where does that nukes come from??

What we can see and what many stupid Indians cannot see is the double-standards of Isreal and West. Iran issue has nothing to do with an Islamic nation getting nukes. But it has to do with containing Iran from becoming an even powerful regional power and the West getting hold of wast Iranian oil & gas. If the issue was to stop of Islamic nation from getting nukes, Israel shud have used its enormous power in the US to stop Pakistan from getting the Nukes. But they did not, b’coz ….

The FACT is – Israel can live with an Islamic & unstable Pakistan with Nukes, becase Pakistan is not a threat to Israel which is doubly gauranteed by US & the West that Pakistani nukes are meant just for India! :p

Where as if at all Iran gets nuke capablity, the situation in the mid-east will become a STALEMATE as Israel will not be able to launch & win wars against the Arab military OR do occational military campaigns in the Palestanian areas, b’coz their blackmail of Nuke-attack (like they employed in past major wars) would be nullified! And thats the major reason why Israel cannot afford to see Iran getting any N-capablity. Arguments that Iran will blow-out Israel once they get N-capablity is rather stupid as Iranians are not stupid enough to endanger their own existance.

Now, why is that India is so worried about Iranian N-capablity???….. should India & Indians actually worry when we have got good old Pakistan by our side?? ….. I’d say definetely not. Iran is not a Threat to India! But when will our decision makers who are bankrolled by dollars understand this….

There is a lot India can gain from Iran —
1) Oil & Gas
2) Strategic basing in East Iran – a direct access to Balochistan & Afghanistan
(i just can find a good reason why the stupids even went for a base in central asia…..probably map-reading went thoroughly wrong?!:dev2:)

Close-up photos of Shahab missiles transported on annual military parades revealed gas-ports on the re-entry vehicle. It points to a manuervable warhead.

Yup, so it not a missile to be counted out. The missiles also looks good, the transport & launchers are also good. Indian Ballistics though much better the transport & launchers remind me of the 50s era Soviet launchers…. :p

Iranians are not fool. Ahmadinejad can talk everything he wants, but Kamenei is tha man ruling Persia and he is far from an idiot.

In my view, Ahmadinejad is in control over the military/current standoff with the West & Israel and he has put up a real hard stance when even the mullahs took a backfoot and left him alone to deal with the situation. We saw that during the past year (still going-on) and all those concerned in West have noticed it as well. He is a guy with a real backbone unlike the mullas who can’t think of loosing their “revolutionary” power with a regime change. Iranian’s already are wary of those guys….

In the case of Ahmadinejad….regardless of what the West may want to brand him, he is one among those ordinary Iranians (huge majority), whom they can relate as their own and enjoys wide support due to his “socialist” schemes. He is considered by many as the “Robin Hued of Tehran” and its his so-called pro-poor/ordinary Iranians work that he got elected (2005 & last time) and still enjoys wide support. But for him to say in power and do continue in power he has to be in good terms with the mullahs “religious” line of thought also, even if he may not actually be of that kind…..

Iranian Displays Advanced Ballistic Missiles, Air Defense Systems & Anti-Ship Missile

Article from Defense-Update

Above: the Iranians displayed the Ghadr-I Ballistic missile at the Army Day Parade 2010. This missile is capable of hitting targets at a range of 2000 km. The Iranians displayed an earlier version of the Ghadr in 2007. This missile is about four meter longer than the Shahab-3B/M versions, adding 35 seconds burn time. Photo: Ali Rafiei, Fars

Iranian Displays Advanced Ballistic Missiles, Air Defense Systems & Anti-Ship Missiles on Army Day Parade

Iran’s S-300 ‘look-alike’ – Hoax or Reality?

Iran has unveiled several new missiles and UAVs at the 2010 Army Day Parade, highlighting long-range ballistic missiles of the solid-propelled Safir and liquid propelled Shahab family. Iran also hints on the existence of a new missile in its arsenal, an S-300 ‘look-alike’. The vehicle displayed on the parade carries four cylindrical canisters measuring roughly as the S-300 container-launcher, but the Iranian vehicle does not show any erection apparatus. If these vehicles are part of a real system, they could be vehicles carrying reload missiles. The system is definitely not the Russian S-300, but could be a derivative of the Chinese HQ-9.

Iranian S-300 ‘look alike’ missile carriers shown on the Army Day Paradein Tehran, April 18, 2010. These vehicles seem to be carrying mock-ups representing a future missile being developed by Iran. The design looks similar to the Russian S-300 or Chinese HQ-9, but is too simplistic to represent an operational SAM unit. Photo: Ali Rafiei, Fars

Yet, the likelihood of this vehicle being a true missile is questionable, according to Aviation Week reporter Dave Fulghum, that considers the Iranian display a hoax. Iran has claimed for several months now that it has developed an indigenous air-defense missile comparable to the S-300 it has ordered from Russia. Iran is also modernizing its Hawk missiles, into the locally modified Hawk (Shahin) to improve its air defense capability. Iran has also introduced the Mersad (Ambush) – a further improved version of the Hawk. Iran’s Defense Minister Ahmad Vahidi said recently that Iran’s defense industries began full scale production of the Mersad surface-to-air missile, considered to be superior to the missile Iran received from the USA during the 1970s. The range of the Mersad is claimed exceed 40 km. The system introduces modern radar signal processing technology, an advanced launcher, and improved guidance and target acquisition systems.

The parade included mostly locally developed and produced systems, and, therefore has not displayed the latest air defense system in Iran’s arsenal – the SA-15 Tor delivered by Russia few years ago. These point defense missiles being used to defend many of its nuclear sites.

The Iranians are also planning to introduce locally developed radars to replace a series of aging Russian-made systems currently deployed in the Persian Gulf. “The systems will be designed and installed chiefly for defense purposes,” said Vice President for Science and Technology, Nasrin Soltankhah. She added that the new radar systems will also feature capabilities to provide meteorological data for weather forecasting and analysis.

Iran’s Defense Minister Ahmad Vahidi said recently that Iran’s defense industries began full scale production of the Mersad surface-to-air missile, considered to be superior to the US-made Hawk missile Iran received from the USA during the 1970s. The Mersad introduces modern radar signal processing technology, an advanced launcher, and improved guidance and target acquisition systems.

The Iranians are also planning to introduce locally developed radars to replace a series of aging Russian-made systems currently deployed in the Persian Gulf. “The systems will be designed and installed chiefly for defense purposes,” said Vice President for Science and Technology, Nasrin Soltankhah. She added that the new radar systems will also feature capabilities to provide meteorological data for weather forecasting and analysis.

An Iranian fast boat launching the Nasr-1 anti-ship missile. Photo: MEHR

Anti-Ship Missiles on Display

Two classes of antiship missiles participated in the parade. The Ra’ad (Thunder), is the first indinenously produced anti-ship missile from Iran. Based on the Chinese HY-2 Silkworm, the Ra’ad and its Silkworm launcher were matched to a tracked platform to provide an all-terrain weapon system that can be deployed along the coastal plains of the Persian Gulf. The missile has a maximum range of 360 km. Iran is also producing three types of anti-ship missiles designed for operation from surface vessels or land vehicles.

These include the Chinese C-802, the land-based configuration carries three missiles, capable of attacking surface targets at distances of 120-180 km. The missile has an autonomous (self-targeting) range of 40 km. The Kosar is a smaller, short-range version of the Chinese C-701, This missile can be guided using radar or TV guidance.

The newly developed Nasr 1 is larger than the Kosar missile – based on the Chinese C-704 design. Longer and heavier than the C-701, the new missile has a heavier warhead, capable of destroying larger ships, with displacement of up to 3,000 tons. The Iranians designate the weapon a ‘cruise missile’, but it seems it is more likely a short-to-medium range anti-ship missile. According to Jane’s Air-Launched Weapons, the range of the C-704 is 170 km (106 miles) and its warhead weighs about 109 kg (240 pounds). There are probably two versions of the missile – one using radar guidance and another, operating a TV seeker. Future enhancement of the missile could also include air-launched versions. A longer range version of the Nasr could also be in development – most probably a long-range naval attack weapon based on the Chinese turbojet-powered C-705 cruise.

Iran is also fielding enhanced versions of the Noor (Chinese C-802), converted into an air-launched version that can be carried by Mi-17 helicopters and strike fighter jet aircraft.
Latest Ballistic Missiles on Parade

Among the ballistic missiles displayed on the parade were two Shahab 3 missiles and the solid-propelled Sejjil 2. All missiles were seemingly of operational capability, carried on erector-launchers, by commercial trucks.

Above: Sejjil-2 long range ballistic missile. Photo: Ali Rafiei, Fars

Above: An Iranian Shahab-3B ballistic missile. This variant has a larger warhead, compared to both the Shahab-3 and the Shahab-3M. Photo: Ali Rafiei, Fars

Fateh 110 short range guided missile is believed to be based on the unguided Zelzal-1 rocket is probably the Iranian first attempt to develop an advanced ballistic missile having trajectory shaping, terminal maneuvering and precision attack capability. From the images have been released sofar it seems that the missile seems to be in development. Photo: Ali Rafiei, Fars

Source: http://www.defense-update.com/features/2010/april/iranian_missiles_20042010.html

Interesting page from Planeman’s blog.

http://planeman-bluffersguide.blogspot.com/2010/04/iranian-clone-s-300-revealed.html

The big question is, Can the Iranians build on their own an S-300 like system? Even if equivalent to early S-300 versions, it would be an outstanding achievement

Regarding the missile cannisters that are made of welded oil drums;
Missiles that are shown in military parade are many times inert models of the the real things. This is done for various reasons. One is safety. The other is better to leave the live (and rather expensive) round in the field, so it can serves its purpose instead of tooting around in a parade. This is especially true in Iran’s case, since they are in state of war readiness.
The cannister model also resembles the HQ-9 as well. Most likely Iran may have obtained technical help in manufacturing their own version of the S-300/HQ-9. Most of their domestically built missiles are design and built with the help of Russian, Chinese, and North Korean engineers and technicians. This is also a way of circumventing the arms embargo.

I see posts about Iranians being very dangerous for the world and so they should not allowed to have nuclear bombs. Well, it sounds a bit like hypocracy. If Israel has full support (or indirect support) and at the same time they are occupying large sections, are direct or indirect using heavy force against Palestinians, are killing opponents all over the world, stealing occupied land, are threatening to bomb nations back to stone age, having attacked nuclear installations etc. What makes one think that we should be only forcing one side to accept international rules like NPT/Geneva conventions etc? I think the best is nuclear free middle east. Israel included. Iranians have the right to develop nuclear energy. But if we want them not to get nuclear weapons then we should have the same for all other nations.

Objectivity and facts are both very valuable in discussions. Everyone can produce opinions but who cares about that?:rolleyes:

I see posts about Iranians being very dangerous for the world and so they should not allowed to have nuclear bombs. Well, it sounds a bit like hypocracy. If Israel has full support (or indirect support) and at the same time they are occupying large sections, are direct or indirect using heavy force against Palestinians, are killing opponents all over the world, stealing occupied land, are threatening to bomb nations back to stone age, having attacked nuclear installations etc. What makes one think that we should be only forcing one side to accept international rules like NPT/Geneva conventions etc? I think the best is nuclear free middle east. Israel included. Iranians have the right to develop nuclear energy. But if we want them not to get nuclear weapons then we should have the same for all other nations.

Im sure Moscow is very worried about Iran sending it a message….

The Russians have already imposed sanctions on Iran in the form of stopping all gasoline deliveries. The S-300’s are nothing when compared to Lukoil pulling out of Iran. The Iranians are paying a 20% premium above market prices to get gasoline today — its ripping their economy a new hole. The US has nothing to complain about when it comes to Moscow-Tehran ties. The Russians have not shown any serious support for the regime and while they are opposed to the most stringent of sanctions that doesnt make them friends of Iran, they simply know that completely bankrupting the country will only lead to refugee spill over into their own backyard. For an Iranian, it’s a hop and a skip across the Caspian into Russia and from there not that long of a bus ride to a nice and rich EU border.

Well, if Russia signed a contract to deliver S-300 systems to Iran, must fulfill it. Furthermore I’m not sure Rosonboronexport executives will be happy to see HQ-10 in place of S-300 in Iran.

I’m sure Russia don’t want to see a nuclear Iran. Neither she wants to see an American-Israeli bombardment campaign against Iran and the best way to deter such a scenario is to provide Iran with a credible SAM net. Off-course a few S-300 batteries will not defeat an American-Israeli bombardment campaign, but they can turn the cost high or very high.

+1 Russia just do not want to starve the population. I doubt it wants a Nuclear Iran anymore than America does. After all Iran is an Islamic republic and Russia is having trouble with Islamics for ages.

Im sure Moscow is very worried about Iran sending it a message….

The Russians have already imposed sanctions on Iran in the form of stopping all gasoline deliveries. The S-300’s are nothing when compared to Lukoil pulling out of Iran. The Iranians are paying a 20% premium above market prices to get gasoline today — its ripping their economy a new hole. The US has nothing to complain about when it comes to Moscow-Tehran ties. The Russians have not shown any serious support for the regime and while they are opposed to the most stringent of sanctions that doesnt make them friends of Iran, they simply know that completely bankrupting the country will only lead to refugee spill over into their own backyard. For an Iranian, it’s a hop and a skip across the Caspian into Russia and from there not that long of a bus ride to a nice and rich EU border.

Iran is clearly desperate to get Russia to agree to the S-300 supply deal. Have they shot themselves in the foot with all the bluster about building their own version.

Iran to build S-300 substitute

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id…onid=351020101

Russia yet to decide on Iran S-300 deal

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id…onid=351020602

If Russia fail to deliver, may be is time for Iran to buy “Made in China” S-300 copies. Russia deserves to get the message if fails to fulfill signed compromises.

Other images from the ‘S-300’ parade show associated S-300 radars.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?177921-Iran-Commemorates-Army-Day-(s-300-in-the-Parade)/page7

Iran has been seeking S-300 for decades. It is likely that Iran has obtained bits and bobs of the system just like the US and UK have done after the break up of the Soviet Union. It doesn’t mean that they had any system operational or deployed. It is likely that they have cobbled together these bits and pieces purely for parade propaganda purposes.

Iran is clearly desperate to get Russia to agree to the S-300 supply deal. Have they shot themselves in the foot with all the bluster about building their own version.

Iran to build S-300 substitute

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=123777&sectionid=351020101

Russia yet to decide on Iran S-300 deal

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=123219&sectionid=351020602

TJ

Iranian manage RE S-300??

They are really good. 😎

Becareful Israel. :diablo:

Aviation Week gives some details of the “S 300” cannisters — it seems that they are made from oildrums welded together :p:p:p. In the proud tradition of “stealth plane”, “stealth boat”… stealth brains… http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3aa372acc3-9c93-418f-b183-b084ed33837d&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest They are # 1 clowns…
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S-300 already delivered ?! :eek::confused:

Either that or an attempt to drive a wedge between the US and Russia in the hope of messing with the sanctions plan.

In the latest Army Day parade.

S-300 already delivered ?! :eek::confused:

In the latest Army Day parade.