Iraq

On the back of news to-day my ‘ratchet-up-ometer’ is clicking in overdrive !

The West’s campaign in Afghanistan largely achieved its objectives.

Maybe, but at a terrible price in lives and money…..and for how long? And it was not achieved by bombing alone.

The problem with bombing Muslims, whether to assist other Muslims or not, is that the West will still be bombing Muslims; and that is only going to be represented one way by those that wish to make an enemy of the West.

Charlie,

By implication, you think that the British Army or the American might find themselves fighting alongside the Shi’ites in opposition to the Sunni sect ? Hell will first freeze over !

I hardly think so. Opposition to the Christian ‘Crusaders’ will bring about a united front that is total in its determination to succeed in its objectives.

What do you suggest Western societies do about the ‘Trojan Horse’ effect ? This effect is now seen not only in schools but now in kindergarten as well, according to Press reports this week.

What do you suggest that Western societies do about armed Muslim insurrection on the streets of Europe’s capitals ?

As for your statement that the West has largely succeeded in its Afghanistan objectives, when did that happen? We bought ourselves an illusion of success with the help of Danegeld and lots of it but, that’s about all, as we shall see in coming months.

Such is the well demonstrated effect of Muslim opinion from large Muslim populations in this country and others, that the freedom of the democratically elected Governments to take whatever action they think necessary is severely limited.

Here we go again; the Law of Unforeseen Consequences is demonstrated.

Well ISIS is Sunni based and implacably opposed to Shia whom they regard as apostates fit for destruction. So this is merely the latest in the millennia long struggle between Sunni and Shia Muslims. All Shias are excluded from the Islam Caliphate. The West’s campaign in Afghanistan largely achieved its objectives.

Maybe, maybe. I’ve outlined with a broad brush so, I plead guilty to a charge of excessive simplicity. We have no way of knowing whether or not a majority support a world wide Caliphate. All we do know is that that particular ambition has been publicised via the world Press and has received much attention and speculation from political commentators in at least one of our better quality newspapers.

We have to await the development of events. I hope that I am wrong and you are right. I do not want to ever have to say to you: “I told you so”.

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7000 peoples executed in just 4 days ?.do you know the reason ? Because they are Christians

But we still Posing like ****

the world community should neutralise those devils from earth

But that is just the point. Muslim is killing Muslim here and elsewhere! The obliteration of ISIS will be applauded by a large majority of moderate Muslims.

Ah, yes! Just like the West invading Afghanistan to rid it of the Taliban…

…joining that Muslim against Muslim conflict brought us nothing but respect from the moderate majority!

That’s far too simplistic John.

The Muslim world is divisively split between different factions all with their own agendas. The Islamic Caliphate does not have the support of the Muslim majority nor is it likely to.

Don’t get bogged down in detail chaps. The general interpretation seems to be that ISIS is the military spearhead of the recently proclaimed Islamic State which comprises or will comprise Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and will eventually embrace every Moslem country in the Near and Middle East. That is the first stage.

This Islamic State is part of what will be the world wide Islamic Caliphate drawing into its influence significant numbers of Moslems in China, Russia, Turkey, India, Afghanistan, Indonesia and lastly but importantly Europe.

Money for arms and military equipment will not be a problem. Oil sales will provide. The West, that is Britain and America, need to be more alert to the permutations of this growing problem than they appear to be.

The coming conflict will not require the use of aircraft carriers and tanks. It will be a covert war. A war of infiltration. A primarily urban conflict conducted initially with ‘hit and run’ tactics. Planning and execution will be remote and organised with skill.

The ingredients are all in the pot and the mix is beginning to boil.

But that is just the point. Muslim is killing Muslim here and elsewhere! The obliteration of ISIS will be applauded by a large majority of moderate Muslims.

Dropping humanitarian aid is one thing (although even that can be misrepresented), dropping bombs quite another; did we learn nothing from a decade in Iraq and Afghanistan?

The ‘average’ Muslim is (probably) no supporter of IS, assuming there is no armed IS ‘soldier’ standing ten feet away, but as soon as you start dropping bombs in support of the Kurds, the Yazidis or (God / Allah forbid) the Christian minority you will have crossed the sectarian divide and will have played right into IS hands. It is just the sort of thing the ‘religious’ leaders of IS are praying (planning) for!

I should have thought the case for getting aid to huge numbers of innocents dispossessed and tyrranised by ISIS, air attacks to neutralise their military assets and to protect US interests in Erbil is unarguable.

I’m not so sure this is the ‘onward march of Islam’ but rather the onward march of terror (as the most expeditious and effective form of population control) in a power vacuum; of course it helps if the local religion ‘of choice’ is as uncompromising as Islam and the population is too afraid to question anything about that religion.

Hurling a few 1000lb bombs into the mix is hardly going to solve anything (apart from the need of the US President to be seen to be ‘doing something’), not while there are plenty of loyal ‘soldiers’ of IS (ISIS) to die for the cause; they don’t even need to be willing to die for the cause (or even believe in the cause), there just need to be lots of them. In fact, willingness to die is not the prime requirement for the ‘soldiers’ of IS (ISIS); a willingness to kill is the prime requirement. And while the opponents of IS (ISIS) don’t have the willingness to stand-up to the campaign of terror on the ground (and who could blame them) there is no possibility that the advance of IS (ISIS) will be halted any time soon.

And somewhere along the line the other Arabic nations will have to show their hands.

The onward march of Islam. This is just the start.

Threatening? Obama said they would be carried out abd they have. Good for him. The great ditherer has steeled himself to action.