Is it or isnt a PR9 Yoke?

Hi Ross

Good question! :diablo:

Hows the restoring going?

Hi Mick,

Lovely piccys as always.

Just one question was the fitting of Maxarets and rudder pedals to the nav compartment requested by “windy navs” on the overrun?

http://airrecce.co.uk/Graphics/Cameras/pr9_cameras/slides/n1.html

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Regards
Ross

Canberra PR9 cockpit taken at Kemble last year when the aircraft were handed over to their new civvie owners.

Here are some shots I took inside the PR9 before they left service.

Canberra controls

The BI 8’s primary role was to deliver bombs but a gun pack was fitted in the bomb bay for ground attack purposes hence the flip down trigger

http://www.classicaircraft.co.uk/canberra_2.htm

This tells you a bit about it, I have compared the one on ebay with the one on the complete column I have and it is absolutely identical in every respect, even down to the number, except mine is somewhat scruffier:mad:

The B(I)8 also had a tactical nuclear role which was considered ‘primary’.

Regarding the link given by JunkC. This leads to an essay by Bill Yates, a 14 Sqn Navigator on 8s. His essay is readable but wrong in certain aspects. Firstly, his mention of ‘three’ sqns disregarding No 3 Sqn at Geilenkirchen (ironically just a few miles down the road from Wildenrath). These were the ‘Strike Sqns’ – 3 Sqn (Geilenkirchen), 14 Sqn (Wildentrath), 16 Sqn (Laarbruch) and 213 Sqn (B(I)6s at Bruggen).

His main error though is his description of the gun-pack fitting. The gun-pack was not fitted at the front of the bomb bay, ’twas at the rear of both B(I)8 and B(I)6 Canberras. A couple of years back I mailed the site about the above to no avail as it could lead people astray (especially modellers).

If you like to see B(I)8s, go here to my B(I)8 Galleries. I’m trying to get a pic of every B(I)8 produced. Have 45 out of 83 already.

On to FMk6John’s post.
A 1992 date for recon of a grip that went out of RAF service twenty years previously? Mmmm . . .I went, and again – Mmm. . . Could it be that the grip is for/from an foreign owned Canberra? This is now a definite possible since India and Peru still have active 8s. Didn’t actually think of JohnnyForeigner back up the thread, but it now seems a more apt explantion.

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The seller confirms that the yoke grip was repaired/reconditioned in March1992.

John.

gun pack

The BI 8’s primary role was to deliver bombs but a gun pack was fitted in the bomb bay for ground attack purposes hence the flip down trigger

http://www.classicaircraft.co.uk/canberra_2.htm

This tells you a bit about it, I have compared the one on ebay with the one on the complete column I have and it is absolutely identical in every respect, even down to the number, except mine is somewhat scruffier:mad:

Just a thought Les, didnt some of the B(I) 8’s get fitted with a gun pack just forward of the bomb bay? Bex

No. Bomb bay is much longer the non-PR Canberras. PRs has a short flare bay and with a fuel tank where the front half should’ve been, and then a front camera bay as well.

Although . . . the Rhodesians fitted a 4-rail rocket launcher in front of the nose wheel on their Canberras. This was not an officially sanctioned mod by EE who washed their hands off the Rhodesians.

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Just a thought Les, didnt some of the B(I) 8’s get fitted with a gun pack just forward of the bomb bay? Bex

Backing off here . . .

OK. There seems to be a consensus that the grip is for a B(I)8 (or B(I)6) so I’ll have to go with that I guess. Still a wee bit of doubt in my mind though as, although it seems to fit the bill I personally don’t recall the grip-trigger housed on the front of the horn. Can’t think of what that would have been for.

Thing that I hesitated over was the large box-like housing just below the head, don’t recall any such thing but then memory plays strange tricks – I mean, this time last week I could’ve sworn it was Friday! But, I’ve now pretty much convinced myself (with your help) that this really is the housing for the flap-covered elevator trim switch. Then on top, the R/T button, trigger release safety flap and safety-guarded pylon bombs/RP release button. But the grip trigger . . . ? Possibly it’s a mod that came in after I left the 8s. And I’ve no pics showing it or information about it, not even in the B(I)8 Pilots’ Notes.

So, as the whole subject sinks slowly into the sunset with four-part harmony and in living colour, I shall wander off muttering . . . that way ——>

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Any of you Canberra experts know anyone who needs a navigators ejection seat from a Canberra PR9? The guy who is selling the stick also has a mk4QS seat from the nose of a PR9. Saw it the other day and its in nice condition! He told me these are rare. Someone must need one for a cockpit project?

At his prices….no way:eek: .

John.

Is anyone else as confused as I am?

Les, you seem to be stating that the grip on ebay isn’t from a Canberra B(I)8 (or PR9) yet your photo of a B(I)8 shows what looks to me like an AC14292, which is exactly what the bloke on ebay is selling.

Like several other posters here, I’m looking at a Canberra yoke with an identical grip attached to it, and it’s just like the one in your pic.

For info, mine is also marked 27J/540.

Agreed. It looks exactly like the one in Les’ photo to me.

Doubt it’s a Hunter hand grip either

You’re right to doubt it Les – it most certainly isn’t.

Canberra seat

Any of you Canberra experts know anyone who needs a navigators ejection seat from a Canberra PR9? The guy who is selling the stick also has a mk4QS seat from the nose of a PR9. Saw it the other day and its in nice condition! He told me these are rare. Someone must need one for a cockpit project?

LesB’s pic of the B(I)8 does look very much like the one on E-bay, has anyone contacted the seller to see if there is a date on the tag?

John.

Scrub that, have e-mailed him and waiting a reply.

Pics below show a B(I)8 stbd horn (left pic) and a PR.9 stbd horn (right pic). Bit of difference between these and the pics shown on ebay.

Is anyone else as confused as I am?

Les, you seem to be stating that the grip on ebay isn’t from a Canberra B(I)8 (or PR9) yet your photo of a B(I)8 shows what looks to me like an AC14292, which is exactly what the bloke on ebay is selling.

Like several other posters here, I’m looking at a Canberra yoke with an identical grip attached to it, and it’s just like the one in your pic.

For info, mine is also marked 27J/540.

Bump.

Nobody going to refute any of my info then? As I wrote in my post (#25), I’ve only got a high level of confidence in my statements not absolute certainty.

Notice the guy on e-bay selling this supposedly Canberra hand-grip has now mentioned this thread as an authority and is claiming some people in this forum as having confirmed it’s a B(I)8 grip.

Not sure I’m comfortable with this in this instance.

I would appreciate it if someone out there with the means could look up the Part No he gives – AC14292 – and find out if it is a Canberra part, specifically a B(I)8 part (or B(I)6 part). If it is, then I’ll gladly back down. But if not, it’s blantant misrepresentation and needs sorting.

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I Remember XH175

Good to see it in a new home !

I remember it at Hanningfields for years being slowly covered by the moving scrap pile surprised they could ever get it out of there.

This is a strange one. Is your PR9 a nose section or the whole aircraft? Bex

Behold, the delights of the ‘Search’ facilty. See here………

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=59637

and here……..

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=55280

and this might be of interest also (when Yahoo works that is :rolleyes: )…….?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xh175

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Ross’s PR9

Ross, she looks good any updates perhaps? I must admit having half a Cranberry & half a Phantom was a good chuckle to read and very handy to swap items or sell!! Bex

Hi Bex,

Nose section from the flare bay bulkhead forward.

Piccys on Les site

http://www.bywat.co.uk/canframes.html

Regards
Ross