Isle of Man / IOM

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Definite improvement on the Shorts 330 in the ugly stakes though.

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not keen on them either!!!

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I thought that was helicopters 😉

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But these are aircraft that are temporarily being borrowed from overseas companies using foreign crews presumably on a short term proving basis. There are still no UK Beech 1900’s then. Keep ’em out I say. They only stay aitborne because the earth repels them as they are so ugly!!!

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Yes Gama and Titan operate KingAirs rather than 1900’s,I should of made that clearer.
Air Wales do operate the Beech 1900.They have been leased three from Avanti Air.Two is in the fleet at the moment(D-CBIG and D-CBSG)Another is due in November,D-CBSF,to replace D-CBSG.The other two are in the fleet till January and March.

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Gama and Titan operate KingAirs rather than 1900’s. I didn’t realise that Air Wales had been operating Beech 1900’s. Surely the type is not on their AOC. I don’t believe there are any UK registered 1900’s but I may be wrong!

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 30-08-02 AT 08:58 AM (GMT)]Yes there are other Beech operators in the UK, but they are mainly executive airlines such as London Executive Airlines and Gama Aviation.Titan also operate some Beech aircraft.However,saying that,Air Wales have currently been leased two Beech-1900Cs and I think VLM could be operating a Beech as well,can anyone confirm that?

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‘Fraid not. My business flights only really take me to LGW, LCY, JER and MAN or to further afield. I’m taking my fiance to Dublin at Christmas though, so might give them a try.

Are there any other Beech operators in the UK?

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Have u flown them then yet??

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Euromanx are doing well so far and to be honest, it is very refreshing that anything other than a J41 or ATP is being used on such a route!

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Many people (on forum etc) have once or twice confused Manx and Euromanx airlines! Not hard really, dont blame them!

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Ne news on how well Euromanx is doing??

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Mongu,you may be interested to hear that they are looking in to the possibilities in the next couple of months of expanding their service to Jersey (According to thisisjersey.com)
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Jersey lost its direct Manx link earlier this year when British Airways cut the route as part of its Future Size and Shape restructuring programme. But a new airline, Euromanx, could fill the void.
Launched last month, Euromanx has started flying twice-daily services between the Isle of Man and Dublin and Edinburgh. It currently operates a single leased 18-seat Beech 1900D but the airline plans to extend both its capacity and schedule.
‘We aim to consolidate our position for the first two or three months and then review the business at that stage,’ said the airline’s sales and marketing manager, Seamus Byrne. ‘But we are currently investigating possible future routes and Jersey is certainly on the list. We are obviously aware that the islands have no direct link and they are closely tied by finance, but our board will make a decision after a thorough review.’
Mr Byrne added that, so far, business had exceeded expectations and Euromanx was attracting trade from both executive and leisure passengers.
‘Our initial focus has been on stimulating business traffic as the island’s finance industry has strong links with both Edinburgh and Dublin, but our low fares are proving popular with leisure passengers as well,’ he said. ‘Previously, the Isle of Man had no direct link to Edinburgh and British Airways has recently cut one of its flights to Dublin and we hope to plug that gap.’
The news that Jersey could once again have a direct link with the Isle of Man was welcomed with caution by the chairman of the Jersey Air Passengers’ Association, Rev Anthony Swindell.
‘The Island needs to develop a strategy that ensures the long-term viability of key routes and while I would welcome a direct service to the Isle of Man, we need to know what effect that would have on the London City route, which passengers currently have to transit through,’ he said
‘We are seeing a huge decline in passengers to Jersey and, in this age of deregulation, we need to be aware of airlines coming in and cherry picking the most profitable routes but failing to provide a consistent year-round service. The industry is experiencing a high degree of fragmentation at the moment and it is essential that Jersey keeps its focus on the big picture.’
In March, a Stansted-based airline called Love Air applied to the Jersey Transport Authority to fly directly between Jersey and the Isle of Man but the service never took off.

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Great news for the IOM.There is only one way in which places such as the IOM can keep key air routes, and that is for a locally based person to set up his own airline to serve destinations from that airport.
In the C.I,we are also hopefully getting a new airline.Island Air, which if it generates enough money,will serve Jersey with Stansted with an EAL 737-200.They also hope to start serving,if they are successful,other European destinations based on a hub and spoke system.This will secure key air links to the islands and also the same with the new IOM airline as I think that with all these scrapping of routes by BA,that we can not depend on them for the secured slots at places such as LHR,LGW,etc.

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GD1 – Virgin. I spent 9 years as cabin crew before I became flight crew. I had an offer to fly the 747-200 for them a couple of years ago but turned it down in favour of the 757. Good job too as they would have made me redundant post Sept 11th.

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A year ago, I flew a Swissair flight from BSL to ZRH, a distance of 110km, also about a 15 minute flight.
Obviously, it was mainly for transfer pax, but SR used an LX (Crossair, pre Swiss) Avro RJ100 with LX crew.

There were about 30-40 pax on board and no less than 3 members of cabin crew who just had time to distribute the usual LX choclates and sweets in the air.

Is it any wonder Swissair went bust?

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 19-08-02 AT 03:19 AM (GMT)]All those Jetstreams you saw were United Express, they have quite a bit based over there. Although one or the other is being phased out in favor of the CRJ. I’ve flown J31’s, J41’s, and CRJ’s in and out of Dulles. I think economically speaking, it’s good practice not to put a flight attendant on 19 seaters. For instance, between my ‘hometown’ airport ONT and LAX, it’s a 15 minute flight. United Express used to use J31’s in the early 90’s on that route, while they were being served by Mesa’s Westair subsidiary. In the fall of 96, they eighty-sixed Mesa, and have used Skywest as their Wext Coast feeder ever since. Now, that route, and many others like it, use Emb-120 Brasilia’s that seat 29 and use flight attendants. On a 15-30 minute flight, give me a break! They stay seated the whole time anyway. All they do is give the emergency breifing and greet you on the way in and out. The first officer on a J31 did just as good a job giving it. I think it’s a good cost-saving measure without jeapordizing safety, reputable/non-reputable airline or not. By the way, who did you used to fly into Dulles with Wysiwyg?

GD1

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Greekdude – when I used to do long haul I was frequently operating to Dulles (Washington DC) and always remember seeing more J31’s (and J41’s) than I thought possible!
By the way, the crew figures I mentioned earlier are just the legal minimums. Any reputable carrier would still provide a cabin crew member on a 19 seater, it’s just that they are not obliged to.

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The problem Keenair are up against (Euromanx too) is the pull of BA. About half of my flights ex-IOM are connecting flights, usually on to a mainline BA flight. Also, I get frequent flyer miles with BA.

GD:

I know the difference between a 1900 C and D. BTW, what were the -A and -B versions like? I dob’t think that I ever saw one, knowingly.

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[updated:LAST EDITED ON 18-08-02 AT 08:36 AM (GMT)]Ive flown on the Keenair EMB-110 from ORK to LPL. It was ok, smooth flight, somewhat basic…..no loo ! Incidently I understand Keenair have applied for IOM-LPL