Isnt anyone surprised?

Originally posted by Geforce

For example: Tony Blair, HE is a leftist! Chirac is not. You see?

Blair is as left as the right turn I take at the junction at the end of my street to go to work in the morning. He is a dark shade of purple.

Jonesy,

Thank You!! Don’t confuse these guys with the facts!!!!

What a tremendously well spun mythology that was Mixtec!.

Saddam Hussein agreed to certain things after being defeated in 1991 chief amongst which was that he’d surrender his WMD capacity within 15 days of the official end of Desert Storm.

He did everything within his power, up to and including moving some of his WMD stocks abroad for later retrieval, to defeat the mission of the UNSCOM inspectors and to “beat” UNSC resolution 687. After 7 years of face-off’s with UNSCOM inspectors he, unilaterally, withdrew Iraqi Government compliance with the UNSCOM mission removing the Govt facilitators such that no site in Iraq would accept the authority of UNSCOM and grant inspectors access.

With this situation in existence UNSCOM was rendered utterly impotent and was withdrawn. In an attempt to force Hussein to recall the reason why UNSCOM was in his country a small, punitive, aide memoire was laid on for him in the shape of Operation Desert Fox in 1998.

This was expected, just like the Eldorado Canyon operation in Libya 12 years earlier, to re-focus his attention on the need to comply, not with the US, with UNSCOM and the articles of Resolution 687 that he accepted in 1991. Unfortunately, for all concerned, Desert Fox had no political effect.

Hussein was then left for nearly 5 years in the optimistic hope that a breaking point would be created by the economic sanctions on his country and that he would, finally, accept that compliance with 687 would be his best option. The alternative hope was that his people might be prodded past the point they could tolerate the situation and would take matters into their own hands. Either would have done.

With a visible demonstration of a resurgent militaristic streak in the US Govt being seen just across the Persian Gulf and talk coming from the hawks in Washington about dealing with the Iraq question once and for all Saddam acceeded to UNMOVIC inspectors entering his country. To him this was perfect as all he had to do was keep them scurrying about in Iraq for another 7 years and he’d be safe from another crushing military conflict with the US and its allies.

So he attempted this in the same old way that worked with UNSCOM and we saw govt. monitors accompanying inspectors to sites where they found utterly sanitised, i.e not even a scrap of paper in a wastebasket, offices. Labs with mysterious spaces where equipment had been installed but “had broken and been thrown away” et, etc. Only at times when Hans Blix was due to present a report to the UNSC where sudden rushes of assistance forthcoming which, naturally, had the effect of tempering heavily critical UNMOVIC reports before they could provide the trigger for the US and UK. Be under no illusion this would still be happening now if Chiraq and his do-nothingers had been allowed to talk Bush, Blair and Aznar out of action.

As to the US being “lucky” that Saddam Hussein was such a bad ruler that the Iraqi’s were just glad to get rid of him. I’d say that is a very novel opinion as I’d have thought it was quite unlucky for the Iraqi population to have a Saddam Hussein ruling them for such a long time.

Originally posted by TTP
All the celebrations and testimony are Hollywood hoax’s!!!

When will Leftists ever admit you are WRONG!!!!
You have been wrong about every aspect of this war, Mixtec your surprised the Iraqui’s aren’t repelling the hated INVADERS, Dude, your drinking too much Tequila!!!!

A mind is a terrible thing to waste

TTP- The main reason for this war was because the US accused Iraq of preventing inspections, which is a lie, the Iraqis permitted inspections for many years and after a while it became obvious the inspections/sactions would never end and they got justifyably fed up. There were UN inspectors moving freely in Iraq right before the war. So as far as the US being right all along, I will repeat again that they were very LUCKY that Hussein was a bad enough ruler that invaders would be looked apon as liberators.

TTP why do you always call people who don’t agree with you leftists? I take this as an offence. It shows me that, though you may have a job at the USAF, you really don’t understand anything about politics. I think Garry is all but a leftist. And so am I.

For example: Tony Blair, HE is a leftist! Chirac is not. You see?

And how arrogant you are to say we are wrong. We don’t say we are right. We just voice our opinion. Only history will say who was right, and it’s too early for that. Ofcourse, the neocons will say they are right. But this is a media war.

Very perceptive Plawolf… as usual… 🙂

humm, did anyone notice how the ppl that are so happy to see US/UK troops coming down the road are also the ppl that are carring other ppl’s TV’s, water and food? sure, these ppl were happy to see the americans and brits, but i wonder if it is because they are happy that saddam is gone and that they (along with their oil) have now been ‘liberated’ by the US and UK, or because the american and british soilders either killed or drove away all the police. you guy know what tony b is going to do to restor order in irq? he’s going to send in TWO of his special miliaty police offices! wow!

of the very few interviews we get to see of whole families, the vast majority of the time the message being sent out is that they are affraid. affraid to go out even though they are running out of food and water; afraid to even open their doors. now i know that saddam was probabaly even worse then hitler, but i dont think there was even this level of fear in so many people under his rule.

what i find most suprising is how nieve (no offence intended) so many ppl are. the americans said right from the offset that this is going to be a media war! ie, they are going to use the media to manipulate the truth, so why do so many ppl still take news reports as if they are the truth, the whole truth and noting but the truth?

remember how at the begining and during the first 21 days of the war, the presenters always said that their reporters were reporting under military restrictions? did ppl think they were just adding that on to kill time? of course news reports coming from bagdad and other areas under iraqi control also had ‘restriction’ and this was stated.

but now that the miliatry cant control what is being reported, the US just tries to shrug off negative reports. just a while ago i was amazed at the sher cheeck of donald r in his latest news report.
complaining that the picture of the same varse being looted was being shown time and time again, and how he was ‘amazed’ to find out there was more then 1 varse in iraq!

well donald, there were alot more then just varses that were being carried around in the cities mate, get better glasses and maybe you well see what a big pile of **** you made out there.

All the celebrations and testimony are Hollywood hoax’s!!!

When will Leftists ever admit you are WRONG!!!!
You have been wrong about every aspect of this war, Mixtec your surprised the Iraqui’s aren’t repelling the hated INVADERS, Dude, your drinking too much Tequila!!!!

A mind is a terrible thing to waste

Kevin

Like I said predictable responses including my own to be sure.

Regards

Sauron

Sauron.

“Predictable responses so far.”

Including of course your own.

“I for one am hoping that the current level of termoil in Iraq settles down ASAP.”

The majority of people are hoping the situation will calm down, but how long will it take and at what cost to the remaining infrastructure of a fractured society?

“Given the events of the last three weeks and particularly the last 48 hrs I am not surprised at what is taking place.”

If you are not surprised by what is taking place then why did the military not plan an appropriate response to the breakdown of law and order?

“Lets hope that once most elements of Saddam’s regime are sacked, people will turn to more productive persuits.”

You mean the palaces and the ministries. Incidentally, why is the oil ministry the only public building to be protected by US troops? With the altruistic reasons for America’s involvement in Iraq it seems incredible that US troops are standing idly by while hospitals are ransacked and destroyed. Surely the way to win hearts and minds is by protecting such places and instilling a climate where the people work together with their ‘liberators’ to restore society. We keep hearing Iraqis on the news saying how pleased they are to have the Americans in Baghdad. Of course they are, they have gone from oppression to anarchy in the space of a few hours. America stated it was their intention to liberate the people of Iraq but at the moment it seems they have jumped from the frying pan into the fire.

Just heard that General Franks has said that the Iraqi leadership are ‘either dead or running like hell.’ In other words there is still absolutely no evidence as to the whereabouts or health of the main leadership. I would have thought it would have been wise to either capture Saddam or at least have a body they could show. I fail to see how that can happen when they drop 8,000 lbs of bombs on a building he is supposed to be inside? There wouldn’t be enough left of him to fill a freezer bag would there?

Regards

kev35

Predictable responses so far.

I for one am hoping that the current level of termoil in Iraq settles down ASAP. Given the events of the last three weeks and particularly the last 48 hrs I am not surprised at what is taking place. Lets hope that once most elements of Saddam’s regime are sacked, people will turn to more productive persuits.

Regards

Sauron

Let’s see if the Iraqi’s will still be celebrating once that criminal Chalabi has taken over power.

Originally posted by seahawk
We don´t know how much of the celebrations were staged and for a city of 5 Million people there were only a few celebrating.

I think the regime of Saddam was not worth dying for, but they will want the US to leave their home asap.

You are, of course, aware that with the electricity shut off by Saddam’s cronies, not everyone in Baghdad was made instantly aware of the going-on as you might think. This is exactly the reason they shut it off, so they could continue their blatant disinformation. And Baghdad isn’t exactly overrun with US troops on every street corner yet, either.

We don´t know how much of the celebrations were staged and for a city of 5 Million people there were only a few celebrating.

I think the regime of Saddam was not worth dying for, but they will want the US to leave their home asap.

It wasn’t very long before the Kuwaitis wanted American troops out despite what they did for them in 91.

Just a question of how many little kids get raped by grunts or run over in car accidents before they are asked to leave… (the Japanese, South Koreans, Phillipinos all benefit from US investment, but there are still sizeable portions of the population that want the US troops out… Iraq has oil… it will get all the investment it needs without troops there.)