It is well known that the N001 radar of su-27 did not meet the official requirement and so it was not officially inducted into service until late 1990.
But theere were already 350+ Flankers in frontline units by early -mid 1990.( per CFE count )
So what did there aircraft do as far as avionics was concerned? Did they have any radar at all ? Atleast a sub par version of N001 which did not have the best performance
Can these su-27 until 1990 still use the R-27R SARH missile then ? as it is radar dependent ? Can these aircraft use datalink to obtain information for fire control from GCI radars and /or Mig-31?
Thanks
By: nastle - 20th February 2019 at 19:28
The early N001 set only had MTBF of 5 hours. Only then it managed to get fixed and reliability improved to 200 hr.
ok so it malfunctioned every 5 hours , but I’m assuming that is when radar is turned on /emitting till it malfunctions ?
it is not every 5 hr of flying time of su-27 right ? as a lot of time fighters fly with their radars not turned on /emitting
By: nastle - 20th February 2019 at 19:22
omitted
By: stealthflanker - 20th February 2019 at 18:52
forgive my ignorance but do u mean by “acceptable 200 hr” ?
The early N001 set only had MTBF of 5 hours. Only then it managed to get fixed and reliability improved to 200 hr.
By: nastle - 20th February 2019 at 18:26
But just because you read it on a forum doesn’t mean you have to believe it, does it?
It’s said that the Yak-28 never received state certification at all – all those hundreds of aircraft flying in full military service during the Cold war were essentially illegal…
no ofcourse not but i wanted to confirm it as official date su-27 got accepted as standard fighter for vvs and pvo is august 1990
By: nastle - 20th February 2019 at 18:25
Then it’s a live munitions. No doubt.
and the Radar is of course designated as N001. The problem so far was that the reliability was low. Only later at 1990’s it brought to acceptable 200hr.
forgive my ignorance but do u mean by “acceptable 200 hr” ?
By: nastle - 20th February 2019 at 18:24
Seriously??
There is your problem right there.
ok i do not have access to russian langauge docs , that is why im asking you guys here
what is your take on it ? su27 had a radar and BVR missiles that worked during the 1986-1990 period ?
By: Levsha - 20th February 2019 at 17:55
thanks for replying
what ! so su-27 in 1986-1990 period had a radar and was capable of using SARH missiles ?
but Ive read on other forums that su-27 had the same air to air capability as a F-16A armed with IR homing missiles only and could not use any SARH missiles till 1990
But just because you read it on a forum doesn’t mean you have to believe it, does it?
It’s said that the Yak-28 never received state certification at all – all those hundreds of aircraft flying in full military service during the Cold war were essentially illegal…
By: wilhelm - 20th February 2019 at 17:38
it was a while back on f-16.net forum
yes I do they were saying ( on f-16.net) these were dummy missiles
Seriously??
There is your problem right there.
By: stealthflanker - 20th February 2019 at 15:32
Oh and the vid was composite but it’s from 1980’s when early batch of flankers are in service or being tested.
By: stealthflanker - 20th February 2019 at 15:30
in the pic on the website there are no dummy stripes on the R-27
Then it’s a live munitions. No doubt.
and the Radar is of course designated as N001. The problem so far was that the reliability was low. Only later at 1990’s it brought to acceptable 200hr.
By: nastle - 20th February 2019 at 14:48
Yes. where did you read that O-o ?
Remember Vasily Tsymbal vs P-3 incident ? His Su-27 carries full complement of AAM’s
in the pic on the website there are no dummy stripes on the R-27
By: nastle - 20th February 2019 at 14:47
and this video is from before 1990 ?
what was this radar called in the 86-90 period , still called N001 ?
So seems like it was functional but all the bugs just have not been worked out , is that accurate ?
By: stealthflanker - 20th February 2019 at 14:40
If it were dummy it would have 3 strips. and they did. This is composite but Su-27, R-27 firing is at 1:35.
By: nastle - 20th February 2019 at 14:26
Yes. where did you read that O-o ?
Remember Vasily Tsymbal vs P-3 incident ? His Su-27 carries full complement of AAM’s
it was a while back on f-16.net forum
yes I do they were saying ( on f-16.net) these were dummy missiles
yefim gordon book on su-27 says nothing about it ,
did the flankers do any missile trials with R-27R during the 86-90 period ?
By: stealthflanker - 20th February 2019 at 13:46
Yes. where did you read that O-o ?
Remember Vasily Tsymbal vs P-3 incident ? His Su-27 carries full complement of AAM’s
By: nastle - 20th February 2019 at 13:22
The answer is yes. VVS/VKS Used a radar they haven’t certified for until 1990’s. and yes it comes by default with R-27R and RE. and it also have datalink too.
thanks for replying
what ! so su-27 in 1986-1990 period had a radar and was capable of using SARH missiles ?
but Ive read on other forums that su-27 had the same air to air capability as a F-16A armed with IR homing missiles only and could not use any SARH missiles till 1990
By: stealthflanker - 20th February 2019 at 11:56
The answer is yes. VVS/VKS Used a radar they haven’t certified for until 1990’s. and yes it comes by default with R-27R and RE. and it also have datalink too.
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