Jag for sale

Am I right in thinking that there is a query over the fact these are worth £6k. I certainly remember attempting to acquire a Sea Harrier a couple of years ago via a reseller (incomplete and missing a couple of key items like the engine etc) and was quoted around £40k (buyer collects!). As this was a personal purchase to go on loan to a museum I felt this was a tad pricey! Now if anyone was offering a Sea Harrier for around £6k I would be interested!!

And if it sells, whatever is paid will be right for the buyer…..

Fact is, most of the aircraft currently at Bentwaters will get scrapped. However, the seller has a history of placing similar airframes with technical colleges, collectors or whatever, and they will get their money back, whatever they paid for them!

Mark, you’re analogy re the Hunter is a little off course – there may be none readily available right now – but there are already a lot in preservation – there are very few Jaguars, so the interest factor is there.

I would still wait for the retirement of the airworthy ones.

Bruce

Talk of the value of these aeroplanes while in service is irrelevant. The issue of their MoD disposal cost however IS relevant, to a degree, because it does have a bearing on their subsequent ‘worth’. When operational they were performing the duty they were designed and originally purchased for. That service is now complete, so as far as the MoD is concerned they are nothing more than scrap. They now have a new ‘life’ as potential museum exhibits and therefore a new worth on which their ‘service’ value has no bearing.

Similarly comparing these airframes to a “live Hunter or JP” is pointless because they are not “live” Jaguars. The only valid comparison is to consider one alongside a similar static Hunter or JP – take the two Hunters that were recently sold via eBay for starters. They went for around £3,500. Now’s here the big BUT – there are most certainly not 31 Hunters sitting around on a disused airfield (with more on the way) awaiting buyers. In fact there are none. So there’s a bit of a ‘supply’ difference there which will influence what people are willing to pay. At the moment it may well be a buyers market where Jags are concerned.

Yes, everyone did have a chance to bid on these airframes and that in itself means that they have taken the first step in arriving at their ‘new’ market value.

So, is £6k about right? No, for these particular airframes I don’t think it is. In fact I think ‘about right’ would be half that.

So, will this aircraft sell? I wouldn’t be surprised. The advantage, for the seller, of selling via eBay is that the audience includes people who know no different. Remember Mr Ollerenshaw and his Vulcan?

Those compatible items Jag, should one assume theyd still be classified too? Thats something thats intriguing me too. With the retirement of the Jags etc will there be anyway a Jag will be able to fly without certain items?

There was a fair percentage of the retired GR3’s that went to Cosford, the remainder were spares recovered then disposed of, mostly to/via Everit Aero.

The spares supply contracts largely dried up with the ceasation of French operations, so the stripping of these airframes makes sense. Certainly whilst still at Colt, the first few retirees were very valuable spares sources, often for the most pathetic of things like a washer! Bear in mind too that with the closure of Colt, there is limited second line support to maintain larger components.

Regarding a future flyer – the GR1’s at Cosford are mosly low houred, with older less valuable ( to the modern fleet ) avionics and instrumentation – look there for a flyer perhaps, if the trainees have not completly mullered them, or wait till 6 retire their ‘modern’ Jets – the best of the 50 or so we had flying a year ago. Trouble there is some items are Tornado / Harrier / Typhoon (? bear in mind I’m a rigger! ) compatable and may be stripped before release.

I’m sorry, i thought this was a thread/discussion about surplus Jaguars 😮

I’ll go fall on my sword or something…….
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Dave, didnt mean to sound like me havin a go, so please dont argue with ya sword, im led to believe that might smart a wee bit. I think one of my earlier posts said it best, brain on strike etc LoL 😀

As far as I am aware the plan is that the RAF still intend to send all the current flyers to Shawbury and then to Cosford for ground instructional use.
And then releasing the older GR.1/1As already there for disposal, which sort of makes sense?.

Although thats probably changed already, so I guess its a case of wait and see.

True there are some Gulf War veterans among those at Everett Aero, but I would wait for a complete jet, rather than get a cannibalised shell.

If I had the money or a big enough garden anyway :diablo:

I wonder which Airframe is allocated to Hendon :confused:

Tim

Firstly apart from my mistake about airframe materials the rest of my comments have been generalisations, not exactly Jag specific. I was actually refering to the RAF & scrappies. GAM has a Jag of sorts, although it is a little unwell..

I’m sorry, i thought this was a thread/discussion about surplus Jaguars 😮

I’ll go fall on my sword or something…….

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I was just thinking that if I had somewhere to put it I would want one!!

Bruce talks sense, The jags are stripped at various MUs before they move on to the disposals scene, for the same reason that harriers and Tornados have been, to keep the remaining fleet serviceable. Now coming to the end of their service lives, aircraft and parts are rotated, so spares recovery is the norm. What is passing out to the dealers at present isnt worth purchasing IMHO, as they dont represent the best that is/will be available, there have only been 2-3 airframes that have been available through disposals agencies, that were complete, potential ground runners, and they went for a lot more than 6K. 6K isnt expensive, just look at what you will pay for a Live Hunter or JP that is complete with an engine, not flying, but live. You certainly wouldnt get either for double 6K.

Really ? Where have you seen Jaguar parts for sale then ? And for what Jaguar projects ? Only a very small number of Jaguars have yet passed into the private market that i’m aware of..

Firstly apart from my mistake about airframe materials the rest of my comments have been generalisations, not exactly Jag specific. I was actually refering to the RAF & scrappies. GAM has a Jag of sorts, although it is a little unwell.

As for preserved flying Jags in the future, unless the CAA is dragged kicking & screaming into the 21st century there is no hope. Ok so theyve finally allowed 558 to go airbourne, but whose to say those old farts will allow “modern” fast jets back up into the air.

There is a huge amount of ill informed comment in this thread.

A year ago, this was a front line fighting machine worth (potentially) millions of pounds. Now it is up for a paltry £6K. Bargain? – you judge?

Next, the Jaguar is still in front line service, and this particular aircraft will have been stripped of all usable parts by the RAF – not the dealers, but the people who actually still need the parts. I feel sure the F700 will bear this out.

Now value – it seems that a typical price for a museum type aircraft varies between about 2500 and 7500 sterling. That range will buy you anything from a Canberra, Jet Provost, Hunter and so on. If the aircraft were operational, that sort of money would barely buy you a canopy, so I dont think £6K is a million miles out. It is irrelevant what they actually cost to buy – anyone here could bid for them; it just so happens that a dealer has them, and wishes to move them on again. It is worth what anyone is prepared to pay.

Lastly, for those that want a Jaguar – just play the waiting game – I abhorr the obsession of preserving aircraft as soon as the first ones are made surplus. It means that long term, we will not be preserving the best aircraft – we will be left with those with time-ex components, no engines and so on. All the big museums are guilty of this – the Tornado at Duxford was flown in, and then all the useful bits were removed and replaced with scrap items. The Jaguar is unlikely to make it to the ranks of preserved flying aircraft, so they will be available to museums – in the same way as the Sea Harriers have been recently.

Bruce

I think you might find one or two at Bentwaters!

Actually there are 21 at Bentwaters, and a further 10 at the owners home nr Ipswich.
If museums are interested in preseving any of the type, they would be better served by getting together a collective approach to the MOD for the flyers still with 6 sqn.
Otherwise I suspect they will follow in the same direction as the others.

I think you might find one or two at Bentwaters!

…. but most of the instruments are then bought by other dealers who hike the prices even more which means people who genuinely want parts to present a credible exhibit or their own private project end up paying a flipping fortune for items all said and done should have been there in the first place. Bex

Really ? Where have you seen Jaguar parts for sale then ? And for what Jaguar projects ? Only a very small number of Jaguars have yet passed into the private market that i’m aware of.

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I may get my head ripped off for this next comment, but most of the instruments are then bought by other dealers who hike the prices even more which means people who genuinely want parts to present a credible exhibit or their own private project end up paying a flipping fortune for items all said and done should have been there in the first place. Bex

…but £6K start off price is a bit ridiculous especially when once you have bought it, you have to restore the cockpit. Lets see now, Bang seat, panels, intruments…

Ridiculous yes. Especially when you know that, in many cases, these airframes are sold with the interiors largely complete and the dealers then strip them so they can sell the parts separately to you.

Phantom Phixer – these outfits buy in bulk and move them quickly.The preservation movement has been known to take it’s time on some movements and the powers that be find it ‘untidy’ . There should be efforts to get some more into preservation but I do wonder how many we need to preserve and how many can last outside in the long term.

Ok last correction was due to lack of knowledge, er this ones down to brain on strike, its the wrong kind of wind and just plain ol having a stupid day!!!!! Bex

To qoute Damien B.

Especially when many of us know how much they bought them for…

Im aware how much the aircraft and others were allegedly purchased for. And IF true it is a disgusting profit.

Not just with Jaguars but all UK military aircraft there should be X amount of airframes allocated for preservation to established museums. In a way similar to how the Vulcans were disposed. Therefore ensuring that a sufficient number of the type are on display.