October 1, 2014 at 12:16 am
The standards on this board for what qualifies as political and non-political discussion are hilariously biased and selectively enforced, but in any case, here I am in General Discussion rather than the aviation threads to which the discussion is most pursuant.
Some folks will recall that a while back Japan conducted an evaluation of the Super Hornet, Typhoon, and F-35 platforms/proposals before settling on the latter to fulfil its requirement for an F-4 replacement. At the time I argued the seemingly radical thesis that Typhoon was actually well positioned to secure the contract, including from a political perspective.
We all know what happened with the contract, and we also know what happened to the reformist DPJ government. And here is an article by renowned Japan commentator Karel van Wolferen that could potentially connect the two as manifestations of a broader counter-reform push emanating not only from conservative sectors within Japan, but aided and abetted from Washington:
One of this new government’s first moves was to initiate a new China policy. Its main architect, Ichiro Ozawa, had filled several planes with writers, artists, and politicians to visit China for the specified purpose of improving “people to people and party to party” relations. At the same time, the prime minister of this first cabinet, Yukio Hatoyama, was openly declaring his intention to join other East Asian leaders in the formation of an Asean+3 community, consisting of the existing Asean grouping plus Korea, China and Japan. It is highly unlikely that the now diplomatically ruinous and possibly dangerous Sino-Japanese conflict over the Senkaku/Diyaou islands would have come into being if his cabinet had lasted.
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This is not how the newspapers have reported on it, and not how it has entered commonly understood recent history, but let this sink in: Washington managed, without the use of violence, to manipulate the Japanese political system into discarding a reformist cabinet. The party that had intended to begin clearing up dysfunctional political habits that had evolved over half a century of one-party rule lost its balance and bearings, and never recovered. Hatoyama’s successor, Kan Naoto, did not want the same thing happening to him, and distantiated himself from the foreign policy reformists, and his successor in turn, Yoshihiko Noda, helped realign Japan’s bureaucracy precisely to that of the United States where roughly it had been for half a century.
By: Arabella-Cox - 2nd October 2014 at 11:11
Of course there are states that are less preferable to be allied with than the US.
That is not at issue.
The point raised by the initial article quoted is that Japan may well have been on the way to realigning policy and relationships that would have potentially meant certain current flashpoints and future issues that directly affect Japan could have been less serious in nature and resolved in an amicable manner.
If US interference for their own ends has prevented that situation being achievible that is not something to be celebrated or respected.
As for Australia and the US, to describe the former as a vassel state is quite accurate in my view. The UK is in a similar situation today with regard to the US.
6 Tornados and 2 sent on a mission at a time isn’t it? Clearly an independant and powerful nation at work there.
By: charliehunt - 1st October 2014 at 08:08
“This is an accurate characterisation.” Really? I would say it’s utter nonsense.
Well you have quoted one commentator’s point of view, to which he and you are entitled. Others will take an entirely contrary view. However no state lives in isolation. All states take up stronger and/or weaker alliances with other states, and always have. You clearly take the view that a strong alliance with the US is bad. Well that’s your opinion of course. I can think of many states I’d like far less to have a strong alliance with.
By: Rii - 1st October 2014 at 07:56
This is an accurate characterisation. For more on the unhealthy relationship between Australia and the United States, please see the book Dangerous Allies, published this year by former Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Fraser.
But this thread is about Japan.
By: charliehunt - 1st October 2014 at 07:11
Australia is an American vassal state, certainly,.
I know we read some garbage on here from time to time but really…….!!!:rolleyes:
“A vassal state is any state that is subordinate to another.”
By: bazv - 1st October 2014 at 07:02
but not because it buys American aircraft. In many cases it is sensible to do so.
Or at least it was sensible until the F35 buy LOL
Although I guess one could say that the ‘A’ model is the least bad of the 3 variants – but that is not necessarily a recommendation ; )
By: Rii - 1st October 2014 at 00:31
Obviously…any intent to buy U.S. aircraft means it’s a “client state”. 🙂
Rather like Australia?
Australia is an American vassal state, certainly, but not because it buys American aircraft. In many cases it is sensible to do so.
By: J Boyle - 1st October 2014 at 00:25
Obviously…any intent to buy U.S. aircraft means it’s a “client state”. 🙂
Rather like Australia?