Japan killing whales for research????

…it takes a long time for the [whale] population to recover, if at all. Fish populations, however, will come back a bit sooner. Either way, if you want to make some sort of sustainable industry from either species, you need to regulate it.

Blimey…..where did all these posts come from? Must refresh my browser a bit more often!

At least we were thinking along the same lines. 🙂

In sustainability terms there is a world of difference between the life-cycles of say, the Blue Whale and the Atlantic Cod.

There used to be something like 200,000 to 300,000 Blue Whales in the Antarctic there are now estimated to be 5000 – 12,000 in all the oceans of the world. When commercial whaling of Blue Whale was banned in 1966 they were on the brink of extinction and over the last forty odd years it is unclear if the world population has increased significantly or even remained stable.

Blue Whales are mammals, and as mammals they take a long time to reach sexual maturity, typically five to ten years, they breed slowly with a female only having a single calf (sometimes two) every two or three years and that calf is dependant on its mother for the first year of its life. It is estimated that they can live for eighty years (nobody is sure but the oldest known with any certainty is thirty-five).

It is possible for Atlantic Cod to recover much more quickly from commercial fishing however due to over-fishing many populations are close to collapse and it is possible that a change in the balance of their specific eco-system may have occurred that will prevent stocks ever recovering even if all commercial fishing was suspended indefinitely.

Man…..the hunter. :rolleyes:

So?

Just means you hunt less whales.

In sustainability terms there is a world of difference between the life-cycles of say, the Blue Whale and the Atlantic Cod.

There used to be something like 200,000 to 300,000 Blue Whales in the Antarctic there are now estimated to be 5000 – 12,000 in all the oceans of the world. When commercial whaling of Blue Whale was banned in 1966 they were on the brink of extinction and over the last forty odd years it is unclear if the world population has increased significantly or even remained stable.

Blue Whales are mammals, and as mammals they take a long time to reach sexual maturity, typically five to ten years, they breed slowly with a female only having a single calf (sometimes two) every two or three years and that calf is dependant on its mother for the first year of its life. It is estimated that they can live for eighty years (nobody is sure but the oldest known with any certainty is thirty-five).

It is possible for Atlantic Cod to recover much more quickly from commercial fishing however due to over-fishing many populations are close to collapse and it is possible that a change in the balance of their specific eco-system may have occurred that will prevent stocks ever recovering even if all commercial fishing was suspended indefinitely.

Man…..the hunter. :rolleyes:

Has anyone just seen the BBC news showing the whale pics they where just sick see here I dont really know what to say about the pics the 1st one is of a mum and calf 😡 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7232239.stm As said before give greenpeace a redundant Type 42 and I be happy to fire the gun at the whale ship even if means for me to go jail as long I know I have completed the Misson I be very happy

Sorry buts thats just wrong aswel. Who ever gave Humans the right to kill wildlife in the first place 😡

Makes me Angry and sad that we treat animals like this
James 😡

That would be nature, and it turns out that humans are omnivores. Prior to our invention of agriculture killing wildlife was our means of satisfying that reality. Indeed hunting provides for far better welfare standards than most agricultural systems do.

If you enjoy fish and chips then you are exactly the same as the Japanese.

Has anyone just seen the BBC news showing the whale pics they where just sick see here I dont really know what to say about the pics the 1st one is of a mum and calf 😡 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7232239.stm As said before give greenpeace a redundant Type 42 and I be happy to fire the gun at the whale ship even if means for me to go jail as long I know I have completed the Misson I be very happy

Let’s not even get started on the shark-finning industry, though…

Sorry buts thats just wrong aswel. Who ever gave Humans the right to kill wildlife in the first place 😡

Makes me Angry and sad that we treat animals like this
James 😡

Kill all the whales in one area, it takes a long time for the population to recover, if at all…

A minor correction…
One thing I learned during the whale watching part of my holiday this year…they migrate a lot. Yes, it takes a long time for the population to recover, but I don’t belive territory has much to do with it.

The big difference (apart from the obvious) is that FISH lay EGGS. They lay THOUSANDS of eggs in one go. Those that aren’t consumed with the rest of the plankton still stand a fairly good chance of reaching maturity and becoming adult fish.

WHALES, on the other hand, only give birth to one (or very rarely two) calf at a time, and therefore are FAR more prone to becoming fished out than a supply of cod over time.

Kill all the whales in one area, it takes a long time for the population to recover, if at all. Fish populations, however, will come back a bit sooner. Either way, if you want to make some sort of sustainable industry from either species, you need to regulate it.

However, the big thing that would probably put the kibosh on that would be one thing….

MONEY.

Let’s not even get started on the shark-finning industry, though…

Go tell that to cod.

I dont think anybody is advocating unregulated and unlimited whale hunting, simply that it is highly hypocritical to tell the Japanese that it is wrong to hunt whales whilst we enjoy fish.

The big difference (apart from the obvious) is that FISH lay EGGS. They lay THOUSANDS of eggs in one go. Those that aren’t consumed with the rest of the plankton still stand a fairly good chance of reaching maturity and becoming adult fish.

WHALES, on the other hand, only give birth to one (or very rarely two) calf at a time, and therefore are FAR more prone to becoming fished out than a supply of cod over time.

Kill all the whales in one area, it takes a long time for the population to recover, if at all. Fish populations, however, will come back a bit sooner. Either way, if you want to make some sort of sustainable industry from either species, you need to regulate it.

However, the big thing that would probably put the kibosh on that would be one thing….

MONEY.

Let’s not even get started on the shark-finning industry, though…

I’m no expert on world fisheries…but aren’t whales a bit rarer / more endangered than cod?

That’s like saying “What’s the difference between eating chicken and California condors?” 😀

Interesting question! on the Cod v Whale.

I’m no expert on world fisheries…but aren’t whales a bit rarer / more endangered than cod?

That’s like saying “What’s the difference between eating chicken and California condors?” 😀

Depends what sortof fish and what species of whale.;)

And that is wrong becouse? How is Japanese people eating whale meat different to English people eating cod and chips?

I’m no expert on world fisheries…but aren’t whales a bit rarer / more endangered than cod?

That’s like saying “What’s the difference between eating chicken and California condors?” 😀

And that is wrong becouse? How is Japanese people eating whale meat different to English people eating cod and chips?

You have to admit, he has a point…… worldwide cod stocks are very seriously depleted through years of intensive over-fishing.

Or do I 😡 Research my **** its just another way for them to get whale meat 😡

And that is wrong becouse? How is Japanese people eating whale meat different to English people eating cod and chips?

man killing whales – I don’t like it!

Or do I 😡 Research my **** its just another way for them to get whale meat 😡

Can’t we lend Greenpeace a redundant Type 42

I with you there Peter I be happy to fire the gun at the whale ship even if means for me to go jail as long I know I have completed the Misson . Are Ausses still using a A319 as a Spy plane?

Regards
James

Big blurb about whaling on Wikipedia HERE

You should not have made it out of flammable materials then.;)

Touché, Monsieur 😀

Does anyone have a spare irony meter I could borrow?

Mine seems to have spontaneously combusted……. :diablo:

You should not have made it out of flammable materials then.;)

Photos of the Yushin Maru in action
http://media.theaustralian.com.au/multimedia/2008/02/07-whalingshame/index.html

Interesting that the word “RESEARCH” is painted so prominently on the ships and that there is a sign stating “Legal research under the ICRW” on the stern of the factory ship…

…the stern where it appears that a mother whale and her calf are being dragged aboard.

Did anybody catch ‘Medicine Men Go Wild’ on UK Channel 4 on 5th February 2008?

It attempted to explain the good health of the indigenous hunters of the Chukotka Peninsula where the local diet consists mainly of walrus, whale and reindeer meat.

Much of the program was spent documenting hunting, including whaling, and there was particularly graphic footage of the spearing of a walrus on land.

Well thats fair enough………..as long as you dont try and impose those views on others.

Does anyone have a spare irony meter I could borrow?

Mine seems to have spontaneously combusted……. :diablo:

Photos of the Yushin Maru in action
http://media.theaustralian.com.au/multimedia/2008/02/07-whalingshame/index.html