Japan Unveils new destroyer

I was thinking more about flight performance of the ‘B’ variant, which isn’t that impressive to say the least – limited G for a start, not actual cross section. But, that’s another story not for this thread.

The F-35B clearly is better performing than the Hornet or Super Hornet. As for “G” it’s only limited in peace time to extend the hours of service. Yet, like you said that another story……….

Not a very good response, I’m afraid.

I realised that soon afterwards, it was more about summing something up rather than being a practicality. I should have added, ‘With significant modifications to HMS Ocean.’ as JDS Izumo would need also, Ski Jump etc.

BTW Haven’t heard from you in a while. So, good to see you online……even if your giving me a hard time.;)

No harm intended.

Very busy touring in the US and other places, will be back there for the second leg soon, this month.

oh, not to change the subject but considering you brought up the Flying Brick part. I think these cross-sections dispel that.

I was thinking more about flight performance of the ‘B’ variant, which isn’t that impressive to say the least – limited G for a start, not actual cross section. But, that’s another story not for this thread.

In my own defend not much going on………..

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HMS Ocean could in theory, like JDS Izumo, operate with the F-35B but that ain’t never going to happen.

Not a very good response, I’m afraid.
Ocean:
203 metres x 35 metres, 18 knots
Izumo:
248 x 38 metres, 30 knots

Pretty obvious that it’d be a lot easier to fly loaded F-35Bs off Izumo.

I reckon we’ve got your point with regards to this Carrier might one day operate the F-35B, Scooter. Bringing it up in just about every post you’ve posted so far on this thread doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to be a reality.
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It’d be nice to read and learn about something other than the ‘Flying Brick’ sometime!

Got to agree with this.

I reckon we’ve got your point with regards to this Carrier might one day operate the F-35B, Scooter. Bringing it up in just about every post you’ve posted so far on this thread doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to be a reality.

HMS Ocean could in theory, like JDS Izumo, operate with the F-35B but that ain’t never going to happen.

It’d be nice to read and learn about something other than the ‘Flying Brick’ sometime!

The HMS Ocean is hardly suited to operate the F-35B. While, the Izumo could and very likely took operating such types during her design.

As for bring up the F-35 yet again. I think my question was valid. When the other member asked if the OV-10 Bronco could operate from the Izumo. So, my question is why would Japan even consider it with the vastly more capable F-35 available??? I would also add the OV-10 in not a STOVL Aircraft. Which, means it would have to make conventional take-off and landings. Which, is far trickier without Catapults and Arresting Gear. The F-35B on the other hand doesn’t need either……….

BTW Haven’t heard from you in a while. So, good to see you online……even if your giving me a hard time.;)

oh, not to change the subject but considering you brought up the Flying Brick part. I think these cross-sections dispel that.

Respectfully,

Scooter

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F-35B….. Blah!

I reckon we’ve got your point with regards to this Carrier might one day operate the F-35B, Scooter. Bringing it up in just about every post you’ve posted so far on this thread doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to be a reality.

HMS Ocean could in theory, like JDS Izumo, operate with the F-35B but that ain’t never going to happen.

It’d be nice to read and learn about something other than the ‘Flying Brick’ sometime!

Deck long enough to operate OV-10G+?

Sure, but why would Japan want to operate OV-10’s from the Izumo when F-35B’s are available???;)

I wish the RN had a few “destroyer” like this 😉

Deck long enough to operate OV-10G+?

could this ship’s deck be angled?
i noticed its a big larger and heavier than the Minas Gerais and slightly below the Foch/Sao paulo

I am sure it could….Yet, I doubt the Izumo would operate anything other than STOVL F-35B’s and Helicopters. So, they would have no need to reconstruct the ship with an angle flight deck. Which, would be extensive and costly to boot!

could this ship’s deck be angled?
i noticed its a big larger and heavier than the Minas Gerais and slightly below the Foch/Sao paulo

I’m sad to see the old helicopter ships go: they were quite nice.

No bad that Japan wouldn’t sell them secondhand….

I was just making a point of the progression of Japanese Air Capable Ships. Which, have grown with every class………

I’m sad to see the old helicopter ships go: they were quite nice.

Though the middle ship doesn’t have any hangar facilities: it is merely a deck on top of a dock.

I was just making a point of the progression of Japanese Air Capable Ships. Which, have grown with every class………

Though the middle ship doesn’t have any hangar facilities: it is merely a deck on top of a dock.

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She is also slightly longer than the Indian navy carrier. I don’t think it would be so hard to retrofit the deck for VTOL aircraft. That is if it really is not already upto the job. As a planner you build this ship, even if its defensive you would want to cater for those could be scenarios.

Japan has had a steady progression of Larger and Larger Air Capable Ships. Personally, I think the next Class beyond the Izumo will in fact be Aircraft Carriers. Which, is not to say the Izumo won’t operate F-35B’s to at least give the JMSDF some Air Defense and Strike Capability in the short-term.

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The Izumo is very close in size to the Italian Aircraft Carrier Cavour. Which, can easily operate F-35B’s and it also doesn’t have an Angled Flight Deck.

BTW Both are much bigger than the recently retired Invincible Class STOVL Carriers.

She is also slightly longer than the Indian navy carrier. I don’t think it would be so hard to retrofit the deck for VTOL aircraft. That is if it really is not already upto the job. As a planner you build this ship, even if its defensive you would want to cater for those could be scenarios.

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The Izumo is very close in size to the Italian Aircraft Carrier Cavour. Which, can easily operate F-35B’s and it also doesn’t have an Angled Flight Deck.

BTW Both are much bigger than the recently retired Invincible Class STOVL Carriers.

I was reading somewhere that she doesn’t have the correct heat protected steel on her deck to operate VTOL jets either.

Don’t know if that is something that can easily be installed or remedied in a hurry?

that is a carrier.
it is as long as french carrier. if they add angle deck then it is the french carrier!!

It is NOT as long as Charles de Gaulle. Neither could the mere addition of an angled deck make it equivalent to CdG. Izumo is 13.5 metres shorter, has 2 metres less draught, & 24 metres less beam. CdG weighs 60% more than Izumo.

Stick a deck the size of CDG’s on Izumo, & she’d probably be unable to go to sea, if the weight didn’t sink her.

some strong rebuttle regarding the IZUMMI being used as a AC…

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/bc29b669fb0e Is It a Duck? Is It an Aircraft Carrier? No! It’s Japan’s ‘Helicopter Destroyer’
James Simpson takes a skeptical look at Japan’s newest helicopter carrier

Talks a lot but says very little that we don’t already know??? So, yes the Izumo could operate F-35B’s. Yet, that would be a ways off……….Tells us something we don’t know!