Japanese/Indonesian puzzle (includes flying boat)

To Scorpion 89

Could you please provide us with the reference source of your statement on the red square/black border markings of aircraft flown by Indonesian forces during the Japanese occupation.

United States National Archives capture Aircraft records and files.

Japanese/Indonesian markings

To Scorpion 89

Could you please provide us with the reference source of your statement on the red square/black border markings of aircraft flown by Indonesian forces during the Japanese occupation.

I am undertaking a research project on Japanese aviation in the Netherlands East Indies during the war.

I would appreciate it if Archer and Scorpion 89 could contact me direct on [email]josheyman@hotmail.com[/email] with information on the name of the friend that had the photos (for Archer) and the reference concerning the red square/black border markings and the Java Aerodrome (for Scorpion 89).

Thanks

Jos

Hello,

Seems I got more than the answer I was hoping for! Unfortunately these are all the photos available of these particular scenes. In the album were three other shots showing aircraft but these were identifiable (Catalina, P-40 and DC-3) although they showed only small bits of the aircraft without markings visible.

I’d be interested to hear more about the Hickory and Mavis. I guess that there may be a story or two behind them. I’m impressed that you were able to identify the wrecks in the background by the way Scorpion89! I wouldn’t have guessed it to be possible.

Are there other photos known to be of the same scrapyard around?

Hi Archer,

I’ve seen other photos of the scrap yards online but I don’t recall it might have even been on Flypast.

As for the Id well take a close look at the third photo the Big aircraft look like ‘s a C-47 but I blew up the nose and counted the Cockpit Windows the L2D had square windows and an extra window on the side. As for the Biplane that one I had to check the wing length and compare it to the specs on the K5Y.

As for the Ki-84 well I rec. the engine and the flat Windscreen right away.:p

Hello,

Seems I got more than the answer I was hoping for! Unfortunately these are all the photos available of these particular scenes. In the album were three other shots showing aircraft but these were identifiable (Catalina, P-40 and DC-3) although they showed only small bits of the aircraft without markings visible.

I’d be interested to hear more about the Hickory and Mavis. I guess that there may be a story or two behind them. I’m impressed that you were able to identify the wrecks in the background by the way Scorpion89! I wouldn’t have guessed it to be possible.

Are there other photos known to be of the same scrapyard around?

The Mavis started out as an aircraft captured by the Indonesians. It then fell into Dutch hands and finally it was held by the British who eventually scrapped it. The Hickory is a bit of a mystery. The fuselage marking does not tally with Indonesian insignia of the day. Indonesian aircraft were marked either with a red and white rectangular marking or a red and white roundel.

Keith,

This Hickory could be one of the Indo. birds that were operated by them while under the Japanese Force’s they had the Black Trim with Red Square. I think the location of these photos are at the North End of the Java Airdrome this was the main holding are for most of the Japanses Army Aircraft. I’ve seen other photos of this holding are showing other aircraft with the same square marking on them most of these aircraft are transport type.

Archer do you have any more photo.

Japanese/Indonesian Puzzle

The Mavis started out as an aircraft captured by the Indonesians. It then fell into Dutch hands and finally it was held by the British who eventually scrapped it. The Hickory is a bit of a mystery. The fuselage marking does not tally with Indonesian insignia of the day. Indonesian aircraft were marked either with a red and white rectangular marking or a red and white roundel.

I suspect the Mavis is the one that was marked up as ATAIU -SEA

scorpian
your right about the h6k but it hink your wrong about the ki 84 i think it’s more likley to be a ki 43 i dont think the indoneaians had any ki 84’s a few ki 43’s and one or two ki 61’s
paul

Paul,

The Ki-84 is a Japanese Army aircraft it was the main fighter operated by them out of Java Airdrome from mid 44 to the end of the war.

These last two photos are from one of the five scrap yards that were located around the airdrome.

scorpian
your right about the h6k but it hink your wrong about the ki 84 i think it’s more likley to be a ki 43 i dont think the indoneaians had any ki 84’s a few ki 43’s and one or two ki 61’s
paul

Hi Archer,

So let see if I can help you out,

1, Yes its a Kawanish H6K but its one of the 20 H6K4-L unarmed transports build for Greater Japan Airlines the Allied codename is “Tillie” three of them were capture by the English when the Japanese surendered. The location I’m guessing is in Java at the old Surabaya Seaplane base.

2, The markings on the Hickory are those of the Indonesian Air Force a All Red Square with a black border.

3, The aircraft behind starting with the one the far to the right that is a Nakajima L2D the ragwing aircraft is a Yokosuka K5Y Biplane, and the fighter that you can see in the third photo is a Nakajima Ki-84 it appears to be the -Ib version. For location I would say it most likely was at the Jakarta Airdrome, this is were most of the Japanese Army aircraft ended up.

As for what is left nothing all of the stuff were scrapped by the end of 49.

i dont know what the markings on the hickory are but could be surender marking do you have a side shot?the flying boat is a kawanishi h6k mavis.
paul