Jon Venables return to prison

Whatever the opinion, Jon Venables and Robert Thompson are ineligible for the death penalty, for two reasons:

Anyway, we have heard nothing from Robert Thompson since his release, and since he’s done the time, he’s free to live the rest of his life. (I’m not defending these kid killers BTW, only acting within the law)

Shoot the two *******s total waste of taxpayers money yet their getting more protection than james

this countery is a complete joke

with those ********s with those decisions

Saw this on the Telegraph website

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7432303/Jamie-Bulgers-killers-were-too-young-to-be-tried-for-their-crimes-says-Childrens-Commissioner.html

Load of rubbish. They knew what they were doing, it was a full, premeditated act of murder against someone who was completely defenceless. It was an act which would be considered depraved if perpetrated by an adult, and IMHO they deserved to be tried as an adult would.

Age alone isn’t a defense.

Think about it, at ten, I (and I’m sure all of you) knew better than to kick the family dog (even though in my case it was a evil little sod of a poodle).

And if yow were in a school yard fight, knew better than to bring along a kitchen knife.

Thanks to films and TV, I knew that if you did something bad…like kill someone…there would be consequences.
Perhaps at that age you don’t fully comprehend the act or the consequences…but unless you’re mentally deficient, you know it’s wrong.

Even if your parents are worthless, poor, etc. etc.

No, these kids were sick and evil. Since that can’t be locked up in a jail, perhaps a mental hospital.
I’d wager one was the “ringleader”, the other a follower.
Perhaps the latter could get help and someday be released, but the former, forget it.

Or invoke a ‘Blue Screen Of Death’ 😀

Yeah, Venables must be a Windows human. If only he’d been a Mac human then everything would be OK!

Alright… I’ll stop now! 😀

For what it’s worth, in graduate school we studied the studies concerning violence on TV and in films.

After a couple of decades, dozens of studies and Lord knows how much time and money, the conclusions were….get ready for it….

It effects some of the people some of the time.
No direct correlation.

What is experts fascination with finding reasons to explain everything? 2 ten year old boys brutally and horrifically murder a 2 year old and nobody has said the reason they did it was because they were pure evil.
Their upbringing was blamed, their parents, the movies they saw etc etc but you didn’t hear (m)any experts saying the reason they did this was because they were born evil.

re Venables new identity being revealed, I only hope it really is his new identity and that a totally innocent person in their late 20’s isn’t going to be on the receiving end of the most serious abuse imaginable!

It feels to me that there is something of a ‘bully’ mentality about some of those willing to do harm to Jon Venables; almost as if they imagine that he is still ten years old (rather than twenty-seven, built like a brick-outhouse, and working as a nightclub bouncer). I’d also suggest that possibly some of those being persecuted because of a suspicion that they are Jon Venables are probably ‘vulnerable’ people themselves and that they are being persecuted by groups rather than by individuals; and that those groups are either not very bright (because isn’t Jon Venables supposed to be in prison at the moment) or that those groups know damn well that their victim isn’t Jon Venables and are just taking the opportunity to ‘bully’ some other vulnerable person. Either way I don’t really care for all this vigilantism.

As to Jon Venables ever getting a fair trial I doubt that is even possible but then I do think that the whole jury system is deeply flawed generally and should never have been used for a case such as the murder of James Bulger.

In general I don’t agree with giving new identities to criminals; if their crime was so serious to warrant a new identity then they should probably have never been eligible for released in the first place!

Well, it seems that text messages regarding his “new” identity, crime and whereabouts are all the rage….! :rolleyes:

That’s the trouble with modern technology and will probably lead to an innocent man getting harmed.
I know the government is trying to make it that John Venables gets a fair trial but the way they have gone about it is leading to innocent people getting named and put at risk seems totally wrong to me.

Such a shame we can’t do firmware updates on people. 😀

Or invoke a ‘Blue Screen Of Death’ 😀

….they obviously thought my interest in “killing machines” (their words) was worrying….! :rolleyes:

Actually, we’ve been asked to keep an eye on you by your mum.
She seems like a lovely lady who wishes you’d call more often. 😀

For what it’s worth, in graduate school we studied the studies concerning violence on TV and in films.

After a couple of decades, dozens of studies and Lord knows how much time and money, the conclusions were….get ready for it….

It effects some of the people some of the time.
No direct correlation.

Nope, never affected me. I have seen dozens of horror films from an early age (An American Werewolf in London – aged 10. They make ’em hardcore in Penicuik!), hundreds of violent films, and probably notched up more than a few thousand kills on the likes of Grand Theft Auto and Mercenaries, but I’ve never wanted to go out and actually DO any of this stuff.

I DID have to go and see a school psychologist because of my fascination (at the time) for sharks and warbirds – i.e., they obviously thought my interest in “killing machines” (their words) was worrying….! :rolleyes:

That doesn’t surprise me in all truth but it’s certainly interesting to know studies have shown that to be the case. I don’t think there’s any real doubt Venables simply isn’t right! Such a shame we can’t do firmware updates on people. 😀

Paul

…. I have watched some horrific horror films from the age of 11-12 onwards, I have played sick computer games, it hasn’t made me want to kill people, or rape, or maim people. To my mind this is either in you to do it, or it isn’t. It has nothing to do with video games/movies/upbringing etc, if it’s in you to do it, you’re going to do it.

For what it’s worth, in graduate school we studied the studies concerning violence on TV and in films.

After a couple of decades, dozens of studies and Lord knows how much time and money, the conclusions were….get ready for it….

It effects some of the people some of the time.
No direct correlation.

all good 🙂

No worries, Blue_2. Maybe certain lines between points are starting to generally get distorted a little in this thread. I guess there’s a limit to how far things can be discussed and maybe we’re all starting to reach that.

Anyway, no hard feelings. 🙂

Paul

OK I was just starting to get a little frustrated. Perhaps I should have started the original question with ‘Would any normal parent..’ rather than ‘Would you…’, I can see how that could be misconstrued as pointed at you PMN and it wasn’t, honestly. Normal service is resumed anyway…

Look, all I did was respond to what you wrote. Nothing more, nothing less. And I’m not a newcomer to the English language, so quit the sarcasm! 😉

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That would be a fairly accurate prognosis, Blue_2.

Please discuss the subject at hand, rather than critiquing one another’s respective powers of rhetoric.

Thank you

GA

Didn’t they cover rhetorical questions where you did GCSE English?

Anyway I’m not going down this route- it leads to peeved mods I fear!

Your implication seemed plain as day to me, and I still don’t see why you brought it up in the first place unless you were considering it as a cause or significant contributing factor.