July 6, 2005 at 3:59 am
I would just like to know :rolleyes: ,
Just how many different type’s from Hugo’s workshop’s, made it downunder!!! :confused: :confused:
I must go check, but I think even some Antie Ju’s 52’s made it ๐ , but there was certainly some more other type’s ๐ .
Thank’s in advance Lady’s and Gent’s ๐ , if you can join in, with some info, or picture’s if you have any please :diablo: .
By: STORMBIRD262 - 10th July 2005 at 17:24
Top Stuff
Thank’s Mark ๐ .
Most interesting the amount that made it downunder mate, and thank’s for filling in the bit’s on Ray, as I have been knackered a lot over the last week, and only did it real quick, nice little extra tid bit’s too ๐ .
My Junker’s list off the net look’s about the same I think Mark, but being a stickler, I will make sure :rolleyes: .
Now I am also trying to see what picture’s of these Junker’s aircraft, I can scrounge up on the net, just for fun :p .
Just amazing what place’s some of these Junker’s operated ๐ฎ , a lot up north in P.N.G. of course, working the Goldfield’s and other thing’s, in impossible weather sometime’s(and bloody hot), and flying though very high mountain passe’s(in the cloud’s most of the time).
Quiet a few accident’s up north, and story’s of very bad landing strip’s, and I see it was not only Junker’s that came to grief up there, as a few other type’s went west(smacked a big mountain :rolleyes: ) as well.
Doe’s sound like it was just a bit rough, on man(white man that is) and machine in P.N.G., in thoses day’s, and must have been just so much fun trying to fight war’s there as well :rolleyes: , as there was a little effort in WW1, and of course the big slug fest there in WW2.
O.k. back if I can find some pic’s ๐ .
Thank’s all :diablo: .
By: mark_pilkington - 8th July 2005 at 15:08
RAY PARER
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Originally Posted by Dave Homewood
And one Junkers W-33 was registered in Aussie (as VH-UIW), imported by J.S. Taylor and G.S. Bond and assembled at Point Cook. The W-33 was fitted with floats, flown to Salamaua in New Guinea, and then reverted to wheels. It entered service with Pacific Aerial Transport Ltd of Wau. It says its pilots were known to include Ray and Kevin Parer (whoever they were).Weren’t Ray Parer one of the contestants in the 1934 McPherson Robertson Air race to Melbourne? The last one to make it across the finish line several weeks after the others (or something like that)!
T J
T J & Dave
Ray Parer and Godfrey Hemsworth did compete in the 1934 air race, flying a Fairey Fox race #35, however they formally withdrew from the race at Le Bourget due to time lost for repairs, but flew on successfully to Australia in anycase.
Departing Mildenhall UK on 20 October 1934, they suffered engine problems at Paris, when mystified mechanics could not restart the engine for nearly 10 days until contaminated fuel was discovered in the tanks.
Setting off for Italy they suffered engine overheating when crossing the Alps and inadvertently overflew an Italian Naval Base while seeking a place to land and were detained by the authorities. Eventually departing Italy they were treated with similar suspicion in Greece and suffered more engine overheating and fuel contamination, the problems with officialdom and engine problems continued until finally they arrived over the finishing line on 13 February 1935, 116 days after the race started, (the Comet flew the course in under 71 hours, and the DC-2 was 19 hours after that, which included the unscheduled stopover at Albury for the night.)
However Ray Parer is far better known for the fact that he and J McIntosh were the first to fly from England to Australia in a single engined aircraft, departing Hounslow UK on 8 January 1920, and arriving in Darwin NT on 2 August 1920, taking 206 days in a similar incident filled trip in a war surplus and tired DH9 G-EAQM which survives today in the collection of the Australian War Memorial.
(they departed 2 months after the Smith Brothers completed their 1919 flight in the Vimy, and 8 years ahead of Bert Hinkler in the first solo flight in Febraury 1928, and Amy Johnson two years later in 1930 as the first female solo flight.)
regards
Mark Pilkington
By: mark_pilkington - 8th July 2005 at 11:39
The Flight into Hell aircraft is a Junkers W33 “Atlantis D-1925 flown from Germany to Australia in 1932 by K Bertram and A Klausman forced landed on WA Coast, pilots survived for 38 days before being rescued, aircraft repaired and departed Point Cook on 9 Dec 1932, crashed in NEI (Indonesia) at Sourabaya on 13 December 1932 Bertram continued on solo arriving in Berlin 17 April 1933.
As this aircraft remained on the German register it is not listed in the post above, its damaged wing float from the WA forced landing is now on display in the Bull Creek RAAFA Museum in WA along with the replica from the mini series.
regards
Mark Pilkington
By: mark_pilkington - 8th July 2005 at 11:30
A quick scan of Appendix 7 Aircraft registerd 1921 -1946 in “Flypast” Parnell & Boughton CAA AGPS 1988 yields the following:
Regist.date reg marks make/model manf.serial registered by
20MAR1928 G-AUGZ JUNKERS W34B S/N 2601 GUINEA AIRWAYS
4DEC1928 G-AUJD JUNKERS W34B S/N 2604 GUINEA AIRWAYS
25JUNE1929 VH-UKW JUNKERS F13L S/N 2044 EYRE PENINSULA
8FEB1930 VH-UIW JUNKERS W33 S/N 2575 TAYLOR & BOND
5MAR1930 VH-UNM JUNKERS W34D S/N 2610 GUINEA AIRWAYS
5MAR1930 VH-UNO JUNKERS A50 JUNIOR S/N 3507 HJ BERRYMAN
31MAR1930 VH-UNR JUNKERS W34D S/N 2611 GUINEA AIRWAYS
6NOV1930 VH-UPL JUNKERS F13L S/N 2075 SKY TRAVEL
25MAR1931 VH-UOX JUNKERS W34F S/N 1368 GUINEA AIRWAYS
25MAY1931 VH-UOU JUNKERS G31 S/N 3011 BULOLO GOLD
10JUN1931 VH-UOV JUNKERS G31 S/N 3012 BULOLO GOLD
10JUN1931 VH-UOW JUNKERS G31 S/N 3010 GUINEA AIRWAYS
9JUN1934 VH-URQ JUNKERS G31 S/N 3000 BULOLO GOLD
7MAR1935 VH-UTS JUNKERS F13KE S/N 2074 LUTHERAN MISSION
2MAR1936 VH-UCC JUNKERS A50 JUNIOR S/N 3517 PJ PARKER
14MAY1937 VH-UYA JUNKERS JU-86 S/N 086/0952 EFH BEINSSEN
Beyond this list are the 3 JU52/3M’s imported into New Guinea under Australian VH- Markings by Bobby Gibbes SEPIK AIRWAYS
Of the above:
1 A50 Junior survives intact previously airworthy but inactive??
1 F13 remains derelict at Alexishaven PNG * also reported as W34 VH-UKW
1 JU52/3M remains derelict at Baiyer River PNG
I dont think I have missed any?? so thats 19 registered in Australia
regards
Mark Pilkington
By: STORMBIRD262 - 8th July 2005 at 07:24
Sound’s good Dave, I can not remember seeing it but I might have, thank’s for the great link’s to mate!.
I am put a bit of a list together of all the Junker’s I can find that were downunda.
May take a little while, but when finished I will put it up here.
I am a bit off colour again today, and must give it away now.
BYE for now
By: Dave Homewood - 7th July 2005 at 08:40
As an adjunct;
There’s a great site here dealing with surviving Junkers airframes
http://www.geocities.com/hjunkers/ju_mus5.htm#m_ju87
By: Dave Homewood - 7th July 2005 at 03:19
I found it. The series was a docu-drama I’d imagine that panned out over four episodes. It was called “Flight Into Hell”
See the replica plane here
http://www.geocities.com/hjunkers/ju_w33_m8.htm
And the IMDb page on the series here
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0258578/
By: Dave Homewood - 7th July 2005 at 03:06
Ah, you’re right, I was thinking of “The Riddle of the Stinson”.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0136490/
So, I have not seen the Junkers mini-series then. Maybe they weren’y rescued by a farmer then. The book I got my info from has a photo of the replica W-33, so it must have been made. I cannot find the name of this particular series.
By: STORMBIRD262 - 7th July 2005 at 02:36
DaveHomewood,
I am not sure on the Junker’s Mini-serie’s
But there was one called ” The Riddle of the Stinson “, about one that got lost and crashed in Oz, In the Blue Mountain’s, N.S.W., I think!.
I think it may have had Jack in it to Mate.
By: STORMBIRD262 - 6th July 2005 at 16:39
P.S. the Ju-86 Downunder in Oz, is another story in it’s self!!!.
Lawrence Hargrave’s was it’s name, and I did a thread on it a while back.
If I, or someone else can find it again, we can link in too this one, as it doe’s need a mention I think, as it was here for a little while.
CHOW!!
By: STORMBIRD262 - 6th July 2005 at 16:18
Great stuff guy’s,
Just a few Junker’s eh!
Seem’s old Hugo’s stuff was pretty damn good for it day.
Been reading a bit of a story called, ” AMERICANA ” The stolen invention, All about a Dude in the State’s called John Larsen, and HIS J.L. F.13, in 1920, quiet a story really!!!.
Ahhh, Mr Ray Parer, the forgotten flying Oz Hero, seem’s poor old was alway’s coming second!.
I have been saving some of these detail’s for a while, as is was really for DaveHomewood’s Forum.
Just a few bit’s
Ray Parer and John McIntosh flew a D.H.9 out to Oz from England, On January 8th 1920.
It turned out to be a REAL adventure, but they did get here in the end(some what late)
He did it again in a very cheap Fairey Fox, with another chap on the 14th of Feb in 1935, this to turned in to another adventure aswell, but they did get here again,…in the end.(and yes the Fox, did survive, and did some work way up north in P.N.G. as well)
I will do a full and proper thread on Ray Parer, very soon, as I have been reading quiet a lot about him, over the last few month’s.
Ray Parer was a very busy boy(and has a famous Photo taking Brother).
DaveHomewood, Thank’s for the Link’s mate.
A little bit for ya, until I get over to your forum Mate.
Ray Parer, Bought the 2 Boeing’s from N.Z.!!!!!!
O.k. Now let get back to all these Junker’s Downunder.
I must crash again now, Knackered and melting (” Gut Nacht ” all)
Thank’s again for all the great info lad’s, Roll on Junker’s thread. be back on the morow.
By: bearoutwest - 6th July 2005 at 12:24
Hi Stormbird,
Air Enthusiast magazine ran an article titled “Corrugated Masterpieces – Junkers Types in Australia and Papua-New Guinea” in their Issue No.77 (Sep 1998).
Types included (just a sample):
G.31 VH-UOW of Guinea Airways
F.13 VH-UKW that served with Eyre Peninsular Airways (South Australia) and New Guinea Airways.
Ju 86 VH-UYA.
Bobby Gibbes operated 3 ex-Swedish Ju 52 as part of his Gibbes Sepik Airways. The story is recounted in James Sinclair’s excellent biography of Gibbes in “Sepik Pilot” (Lansdowne Press 1971).
…geoff
By: JรคgerMarty - 6th July 2005 at 11:47
Bobby Gibbes ran an airline for a bit after WW2, ran at least on Ju52, saw a pic in Classic Wings of Flightpath recently.
Also, at the recent modelexpo in Melbs there was a great model of a Ju86z (vh-uya) not sure when flown but the bloke did his research. There are pics over @ Hyperscale.com
keep ’em coming ๐
By: T J Johansen - 6th July 2005 at 11:24
And one Junkers W-33 was registered in Aussie (as VH-UIW), imported by J.S. Taylor and G.S. Bond and assembled at Point Cook. The W-33 was fitted with floats, flown to Salamaua in New Guinea, and then reverted to wheels. It entered service with Pacific Aerial Transport Ltd of Wau. It says its pilots were known to include Ray and Kevin Parer (whoever they were).
Weren’t Ray Parer one of the contestants in the 1934 McPherson Robertson Air race to Melbourne? The last one to make it across the finish line several weeks after the others (or something like that)!
T J
By: Dave Homewood - 6th July 2005 at 08:34
See more about the W-33 that crashed here:
http://www.museum.wa.gov.au/mm/Museum/march/fallenangels/atlantis.html
I think the mini series starred Jack Thompson (can anyone confirm?) but I forget its title
By: Dave Homewood - 6th July 2005 at 08:24
My book “The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Aircraft in Australia and New Zealand” by David Eyre (1988 edition, Pacific Publishers) lists the following Australian registered Junkers (I think the book only deals with survivors at time of writing so may miss some):
A Junkers A-50 Junior (VH-MRR, formerly VH-UCC)
And one Junkers W-33 was registered in Aussie (as VH-UIW), imported by J.S. Taylor and G.S. Bond and assembled at Point Cook. The W-33 was fitted with floats, flown to Salamaua in New Guinea, and then reverted to wheels. It entered service with Pacific Aerial Transport Ltd of Wau. It says its pilots were known to include Ray and Kevin Parer (whoever they were).
After a couple of accidents it went to Mandated Airlines of Salamanu for repair but it was not completed. The fuselage was salvaged in 1987 from the jungle at Alexishaven for a museum (doesn’t say which!)
Another non-Australian registered W-33 became famous when on a flight from Soerabaja, Dutch East Indies, to Darwin, and it became lost in a storm. The crew of Hans Bertram and Adolph Klausmann were missing for 53 days in the bush. They were rescued by a local farmer. In 1984/85 the ABC made a very good TV mini-series about it, and they created a full-scale replica of D-1925, which was non-flying but taxied at high speed on water due to its Jaguar car engine. The replica went to the RAAF Association at Perth and was displayed next to the floats of the real plane.
The book mentions that five Junkers W-34’s were also registered in Australia, and that in the Australasian region there were aslo F-13’s, JU-52’s and more, operating in New Guinea.
For more see here
http://www.adf-serials.com/2a44.shtml