Junker's Ju-86's in SAAF and more.

Thank’s so muchly Skyraid and DB.

When I get a little more time I will get right in to it Raider mate.

A couple of South African Ju-86’s

Want Ju 86 stuff? I’ve got a good 6 megabytes of manual drawings and stuff for you right here.

Source: Luftfahrt International #3, May/June 1974.

Enjoy! 😀

It took me a while, but I did find it in the end.

Tried to link it up with the Junker’s in Oz thread, give up and am too knacked, to keep farting around.

So here it is again, some who missed it may find it interesting.

” Gut Nacht ” all, must crash now BYE!!!!

Any more J-86 picture’s Civil or Military.

Anyone else have any J-86 picture’s to add please 😉 .

What a job the Spit’s must have had getting up to the height needed to knock down the J-86’s over England :rolleyes: , Long way down(don’t think it would be fun bailling out at that height 😮 ).

Cheer’s all 😀 , Tally :dev2: Ho! :dev2: Ho! :dev2: Ho! Phil :diablo: .

A few more.

A few more 86’s 😎 .

ThanK’s again Lad’s

Thank’s again Guy’s 🙂 .
So it look’s as though only one Ju-86 made it downunder :confused: .

Been learning all about Hugo Junker’s in more detail 😎 .
What an interesting inventor and not really a Nazi, Seem’s he had a bit of a fall out with them before he clocked off :rolleyes: .

Here’s a few pick’s of Ju-86’s I grabbed while surfing around the net 😉 .

Almost impossible to get a decent South African J-86 Shot 🙁 , So here’s a bit of a mix from just some of the place’s the 86 served. (all over the place 😮 ).

I would love to see a colour photo of J-86 BO J860952 VH-UHA(D-AGEY)
” LAWRENCE HARDGRAVE “.
Mustard coloured and in Airlines of Australia marking’s 😎 ,
BUT I am Starting to think that just maybe that none have survived or were ever taken 🙁 .

Hangover Cheer’s To all 😀 😮 , Tally :dev2: Ho! :dev2: Ho! :dev2: Ho! Phil :diablo: .

South African Airways took delivery of eighteen Ju-86’s in 1937. A nineteenth aircraft crashed at Rand Airport before SAA took delivery. Of these seventeen were Ju-86z-5’s and one was a Ju-86k-l which was appropriately fitted with turrets and bomb racks. :rolleyes: At the start of the war, the SAAF impressed all of SAA’s aircraft and a further 250 private aircraft. The war squashed SAA’s plans of acquiring a further thirteen Ju-86’s. The Ju-86 was used to patrol and protect the SA coast. Two examples were kept as VIP aircraft. Italy entered the war on 10 June 1940 and the next day three SAAF Ju-86’s bombed Italian camps and airfields at Moyale. Destroying fifteen Italian aircraft during the first week. The Ju-86 was heavily involved with the Abyssinian Campaign carrying out patrols and convoy protection over the Indian Ocean. In May 1940 the Ju-86 was replaced with Ansons.

Not a PR tour, it was trialed as an airliner, but the engines let it down.

Dave

“Junkers Ju 86B-1 c/n 860952 was built in 1937 at Dessau and was described as a “Ju 86B-Australien”. Flown to Australia in 1937 by Hans Kommoll as D-AGEY named “Lawrence Hargrave” and on arrival at Darwin was registered VH-UYA. One of the engines died on final into Darwin but the landing was made without incident. After replacing a damaged engine, it flew to Charleville in Qld before a non-stop flight to Melbourne, where it arrived on 27.4.37 at a fuel cost from Darwin of 40 Pounds.
The aircraft was in Australia as part of barter agreement with a Mr H.Beinssen, a Sydney wool broker. Apparently the trade was for 23,000 Pounds worth of wool going to Germany and Mr Beinssen got the aircraft for sale in Australia.
The aircraft was intended to do a regular passenger run north from Sydney to Townsville with stops up the coast .Being diesel engined, it was expected to bevery economical with the added benefit of non-flammable fuel. It was also quite fast, knocking half an hour of the usual Sydney-Brisbane time. The only trouble was that the Jumo 205 engines were not well enough developed and a number of them self-destructed. Other than that, the aircraft flew well but due to the engine problems was not economically viable.
The aircraft was dismantled in Melbourne and then shipped back to Germany on 25/8/37. It was struck off the Australian register on 16/9/37, being reregistered D-AGEY again and may have gone on to serve with Lufthansa or the Luftwaffe.”

I have only very little about the flight to Oz:

In February 1937 a Ju86Z-1 “D-AGEY/VH-UYA” (named “Lawrence Hargrave”) flew the 22000km from Dessau, Germany to Melbourne, Oz with a couple of landings in between. It was a PR-tour for Junkers. Retourned to Germany in August 1937.
Here is a link about the flight http://www.casa.gov.au/avreg/fsa/03nov/58.pdf

The “Z” in the type name stands for “civil export version”. The civil/commercial incarnation was exported to Switzerland (1937/1), Chile (1938/4), Manchukuo (1938/17), South Africa (1937-39/17), Sweden (1939/1), Bolivia (1937/6). Most of these were equipped with BMW/P&W Hornet air cooled radials instead of Junkers Jumo 205 diesel engines (in fact only Manchukuo got them with diesels).

DaveM2 has mentioned the story of the Oz Ju-86 VH-UYA coming up soon in CW’s, so I am not sure if it’s right to post the info I myself have found on her :confused: .may or may I not Dave I got bored waiting :rolleyes: .

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Phil

No problem, the reply to the query is in letter form, so not a story as such.

regards
Dave

Cool, Thank you.

Thank’s so much again Distilly mate 😀 .

While looking for info on the Oz Ju-86, I kept coming across little bit’s about J-86 long distance record flight’s, but only very scant details 🙁 .

and somewhere a long the way mentioned another J-86 had been to Oz as well :confused: .
Which must be the one that you mentioned coming to here to Melbourne hopfully :rolleyes: .

If you have more info on the Melbourne flight please tell me more mate please 😉 🙂 .
as I am trying to work out just how many J-86’s actually did make it downunder :confused: .

Thank’s for the offer to Martin 😎 , I might take you up on it mate. sound’s interesting.

I found it most interesting that the South African’s used there J-86’s against the Italian’s, So the Ju-86’s was fighting on both side’s at once 😮 :p .

Happy New Year from Oz to all with a new year hang over too boot :p :p 🙁 .

Tally :dev2: Ho! :dev2: Ho! :dev2: Ho! Phil :diablo: .

Hi Phil

want some photos of the Swissair Ju-86’s ? Please PM me your address.

Cheers and HAPPY NEW YEAR
Martin

Bathurst in Gambia, Africa. (Bathurst was part of the mail route to South America).

About that particular flight:

Was a Ju86A-1, D-AXEQ “Buckeberg”, BuNo 086 0018. On 22 and 23Aug1936 non-stop from Dessau in Germany to Bathurst in Gambia. 5800km, 20 hours, mostly flown above the clouds. Crew was Mr Achterberg als Captain, Mr. Untucht as Co, Mr. Brauner as radioman. Take-off weight was 9800kg with 4450 litre fuel, on landing still 1250 litre left. Diesel engines!

Flights to South America followed, as well as to Melbourne, Australia, as well as North Africa.