Killing for "fun"

………you’re kidding right?, nope, no smiley.

1,000lbs of muscle with 3′ horns and 4 steel toe capped hooves, red eyed, mucus dribbling, merciless, angry, male cow?:eek:

Are you not confusing this with a fluffy kitten?:rolleyes:

The winter evenings must fly by in your household. (where’s the weed smoking smiley?)

Nope. I have seen a Bull dazed for a few seconds in this way. It was in Spain, in 1972. It wasn’t in the Bull Ring, it was a Farmer just being a typical non-British farmer and treating animals with contempt.

The 2nd scene of going for the eyes, I have not seen. But the time to do it was there, should the need be.

Dunno Baz, might work…..

Knock Out!

..and, if you sock a Bull right on the nose with a good punch, you have a chance to do other damage to it, maybe blind it with your fingers…in the 6 or 7 seconds you have.

………you’re kidding right?, nope, no smiley.

1,000lbs of muscle with 3′ horns and 4 steel toe capped hooves, red eyed, mucus dribbling, merciless, angry, male cow?:eek:

Are you not confusing this with a fluffy kitten?:rolleyes:

The winter evenings must fly by in your household. (where’s the weed smoking smiley?)

Indeed – there is a singular lack of objectivity to this argument. Anglers either fish for the table or for sport, by throwing the fish back. But, playing devil’s advocate here, who knows how much the fish suffers by being caught and then returned to the water? Those on here who seem to be keen to ascribe human sensory perceptions to animals seems to have ignored this particular sport.

Certainly in the UK the only animals now killed purely for sport are foxes. There is a ‘pest control’ objective, but frankly it is pretty flimsy.

All other field sports end with the animal in the food chain.

People object to the participants enjoying the sport, yet the animals live free and natural lives until the moment of their swift demise.

Meanwhile, lowly-paid employees in slaughterhouses kill animals for money.

Nobody sees fit to criticise them.

Moggy

Killing for food is one thing, but as a conservationist I have to say that killing other living creatures for pleasure just can’t be justified in this day and age, with no exceptions.

It just so happens I live in the middle of a sporting estate, and am often sickened by parties of ‘sportsmen’ heading out for a shoot. These small people think they are so macho with their tweeds, rifles and shotguns, shooting ‘game’, but I wonder how well they would do if they were to fight, say, a red stag buck naked, armed only with their teeth and nails? The same applies to Matadors – I would like to see how tough they are without the recourse to swords, etc!

What right do we humans have to decide if an animal lives or dies?

Because we are the superior race on the planet. We are where we are because we killed. Yes, we therefore have the responsibilty that goes with that. Sport killing of Animals is bad and probably should be stopped, control has to be done. But often the control is turned into a sport, this is grey zone.
..and, if you sock a Bull right on the nose with a good punch, you have a chance to do other damage to it, maybe blind it with your fingers…in the 6 or 7 seconds you have.

I’d kill certain humans for sport though. Osama for a start. Give him 1 minute head start and then take him apart with a 50 cal. Beautiful.
How many people signed up (For £25,000) to the spoof website for a holiday hunting down the Pirates off Africa? Several thousand I recall.

Indeed – he doesn’t understand it, like others here, but those of us who either have no strong feelings either way or strongly support hunting for sport do not see the need to justify it. That was all I meant.

I don’t think anyone is trying to justify it – why does it need justification?

Surely that’s what Mr Creosote’s thread is all about – how ‘sportsmen’ can justify taking pleasure in hunting and killing a magnificent stag?

Isn’t that what the 😉 icon is for?

I’m just amazed that anyone can try to justify taking pleasure from snuffing out another creatures life…

Sorry Al, I missed it…………..

I don’t think anyone is trying to justify it – why does it need justification?

At least those that hunt are realistic about what they are doing.

The facts of modern life are that we are all responsible for killing animals, whether we mean to or not, and the reasons we kill them are mostly for pleasure, indirectly maybe, but for pleasure all the same.

Farming destroys animal habitats, so do over-fishing, oil exploration, mining, industry, transportation, waste disposal, pollution and global warming so unless we’re not contributing to any of those we’re killing animals…..right now.

The deer need to be culled…..we don’t need to be spending time on this forum; animals die because of both.

And Al is worried about what plants feel, unless he had his tongue in his cheek.

Isn’t that what the 😉 icon is for?

I’m just amazed that anyone can try to justify taking pleasure from snuffing out another creatures life…

I accept the need and arguments for the annual cull. I also have no problem with the usual taking of some for food which I enjoy as well. The problem in this case appears to be a lack of judgement by the hunter.
He was too young to be taken out by the usual cull of older deer, note he was still the top stag in the area. Yet he was a bit old to be killed for food. Also as a fine large stag he was of interest to the rest of the population for what he was.
I can only conclude he was shot as a trophy by someone out to ‘prove’ he had bigger cohonus than the stag. Selfish. One person gets what he wants and the rest of us lose out on something as a result.
The people who will end up getting the stick are the proper gamekeepers who exercise judgement on which animals to take.
I would suggest that rather than change the law the person responsible is handed over to people in the industry to deal with as they see fit ie poor judgement, no hunting.

We have a cultural problem with killing, or possibly the visibility of killing that people find distasteful. Take a rifle into the forest and kill a Deer and everyone brands that person inhuman. Yet the majority of us eat meat, wear meat products or are responsible indirectly for the deaths of 10’s of thousands of animals each year (milk and eggs for example). The difference is that a ham sandwich is so far removed from the act of killing that we find it acceptable.

What annoys me are people who state they are vegetarian and eat fish. Or complain about fox hunting and wear leather.

Slaughter is what large carnivores in the wild carry out daily. Nothing humane about it.

And Al is worried about what plants feel, unless he had his tongue in his cheek.

When 21st century man tracks and hunts a wild animal, he will eat the meat and mount the trophy. Apart from mounting the trophy it is what our ancestors practised every day of their lives.

I really don’t understand many of the posts in this thread, but I naturally respect the views of those who hold these opinions.

lf if you get some enjoyment from the process.
Moggy

Sorry Moggy, but that’s what so many people find so distasteful; the whole idea that killing anything is an activity to be enjoyed. There’s a world of difference between humane killing for food, and revelling in slaughter.

Moggy, but was it killed for food?

What about the poor plant’s feelings – don’t they count??;)

I’m still struggling to understand why it is OK to pay somebody to kill an animal for food on your behalf, but not OK to kill an animal for food yourself if you get some enjoyment from the process. :confused:

Moggy

Killing for food is one thing, but as a conservationist I have to say that killing other living creatures for pleasure just can’t be justified in this day and age, with no exceptions.

What about the pleasure of eating?

It’s a known fact that human beings don’t need to eat meat to survive but most of us prefer to do so. I’m sure it’s also true that much of the animals that we do eat is wasted because of our preferences about what we eat; some of us don’t even feed our pets offal these days.

We also prefer leather goods to synthetics, and I’m fairly sure that animals are bred specifically for their hides, and much else is wasted.

Isn’t all that killing for pleasure?

Sounds as though she should have featured in the SDR!;)