Kuznetsov CVBG set out for an ocean training campaign

hey do u got a larger image of that broucher (?) ….?

91RE1 / 91RE2 KLUB

Designación de la OTAN: SS-N-27
Diseñador: Novator
Fecha de entrada al servicio: esta entrando en servicio.
Longitud: 8.0 / 6.5 m.
Diámetro: 0.53 m.
Peso al lanzamiento: 2050 / 1300 Kg.
Alcance: 50 / 40 Km.
Máxima velocidad: 2.5 / 2.0 Mach
Propulsión: cohete de combustible sólido
Guía: inercial
Cabeza de guerra: comprende un torpedo ASW con una cabeza de guerra de 76 Kg.
El sistema de misil 91RE1 pertenece a la denominación de KLUB-S el cual es lanzado desde submarinos en inmersión a través de los tubos de torpedos de 533 mm. a profundidades de hasta 150 m. a 15 nudos, el misil 91RE2 pertenece al KLUB-N el cual es lanzado desde buques de superficie este puede instalarse en lanzadores inclinados o celdas verticales en lanzadores 3S14E de 8 celdas con un peso de 14700 kg. dependiendo de requisito operacional, una vez lanzado el misil este sigue una trayectoria balística alta y cuando esta en el área de ataque, desprende la carga en este caso un misil subacuatico el cual se desacelera mediante un paracaídas, para posteriormente iniciar la búsqueda del objetivo a través de un sensor hidro-acústico

OK, I’ve updated the SS-N-14, SS-N-15 and SS-N-16 sections on my site.

Now, if I just could get myself to update the SLBM info…

And some more here… The follow on versions, the Klub 91RE1 with it’s torpedo (APR-3)(from the same Slovak magazine):
And the 83R again.
The best drawing, having 81R, 83R and its torpedo, 91RE1 and its torpedo etc. is too large to post here. 😡

83R seems to be the torpedo carrying variant of SS-N-16.

Meteorit, I have seen your site several times over, I’ll try to sort this out to the last tid-bit of information for you.

I’ll update the SS-N-15 and SS-N-16 descriptions on my site ASAP as I get all the info posted here and at ACIG sorted out.

heeroyui
Never mind, I didn’t mean to sound too harsh. Thanks for the Jane’s info. 🙂

Roel,

You’ve written 83R a couple of times there – which weapon is the 83R?. As I understand it the RPK-2 is the 81R, RPK-6 is the 86R and RPK-7 is the 88R. Dont tell me theres one we’ve missed?

now, there we go.
No, the source says there is only a nuclear tipped depth charge version and a Torpedo carrier. They do have a different range due to the heavier warhead. The Nuclear tipped one has a range of 46km and the torpedo carrier has a range of 37km. No HE warhead at all… I have some very nice pictures for you guys (yes indeed I’ve been asking all my sources about it now).
This is the UGMT-1M, the “warhead” of the 83R.
Launch of a 83RN version of the Neustrashimiy frigate.
Well that’s it for now, I have some more nice tables etc. But have to try to get them smaller to get them uploaded here… 😡

Meteorit excuses, I translate data of your web to Spanish long ago for post of a forum in Spanish, so that the readers did not dominate English, complements it with this web:

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WMRUS_ASWmis.htm

Meteorit I would like use data of your site, in a WEB that I am creating, i will give you all credits

thank for the collaboration

these are 2 quote on this weapon

source: jane´s Defence

SS-N-15 Starfish
Type
Submarine and surface ship-launched ASW missile.

Development
This missile is reported to be of the same general type as the US SUBROC.

Description
The missile is horizontally launched from a standard 533 mm torpedo tube to follow a short underwater path before broaching the surface to follow an airborne trajectory with inertial guidance for the major part of the flight to the target area. On reaching the target area, a depth charge is released to continue on a ballistic trajectory until entering the water near the target and sinking to the optimum depth before detonation. This type of weapon relies upon accurate localisation of the target in the first instance, followed by rapid launch and flight to the target area before the target has time to travel far from its last known position. The weapon is associated with the Shark Teeth LF active/passive sonar system.
It was originally estimated that the solid-propellant motor gave the missile a range of about 18 n miles, but later official US reports have credited the missile with a range of between 24 and 27 n miles.

Operational status
The missile is reported to have entered service around 1968 and is currently operational aboard `Typhoon’, `Charlie II’, `Delta IV’, `Oscar II’, `Victor III’, `Sierra I and II’ and `Akula’ class submarines as well as a `Neustrashimy’ class frigate. It has been estimated that about 190 missiles remained in service at the end of 1998.

Specifications
Length: 7.9 m
Diameter: 0.53 m
Launch weight: 2,445 kg
Payload: 300 kg depth charge
Charge: 200 kT nuclear or HE
Range: 21 n miles

Contractor
Novator NPO.

Source: Jane´s Defence

Novator SS-N-15 Starfish (Tsakra) fired from 53 cm tubes; inertial flight to 45 km (24.3 n miles); warhead nuclear 200 kT or Type 40 torpedo.
Novator SS-N-16 Stallion fired from 65 cm tubes; inertial flight to 100 km (54 n miles); payload nuclear 200 kT (Vodopad) or Type 40 torpedo (Veder).

Hmm, I didn’t know these were Test-71 torps, thank you for that info. They seem to paint a lot of torpedoes green and that always confuses me.
I’ve been thinking about that shroud too. As it doesn’t seem to be similar to any of the pictures posted above. Therefor I was thinking about a new torpedo payload, or just a shroud. I suppose the latter is most probable. I think it runs with these small bars on top, I suppose that’s to reinforce it and protect the torpedo’s sonar. I’ll try to see what that is, I have a much larger version of this picture and there I can read what is on top of that cap.

I took a look: Zond Lapard (or Lapara) And judging from the other angle, the bad quality pic, there seem to be some more words on top. I suppose it would help if we could get this translated already.

Aren’t they talking about the same fleet that has made the exercise with US?

No, that exercise was in the North Sea and consisted of the US Ticonderoga class cruiser USS Hue City and the two Russian Udaloy class destroyers Severomorsk and Admiral Lechenko.

The Russian CVBG off Iceland consists of Admiral Kuznetsov, Petr Velikiy (Kirov class), Marshal Ustinov (Slava class), Admiral Ushakov (Sovremenny class), the fleet oiler Sergey Osipov and the two salvage tugs Altai and SB-406.

There has also been a Franco-Russian exercise where the latter has sent the destroyer Admiral Chabanenko (Udaloy II class) and the SSN Vepr (Akula-II class).

A lot of Russian activity…

Meteorit

That’s my site. Yes, the books are veeery old, especially considering that we’re speaking of Soviet equipment…. If you find something I could use it to update my site also.

There is a large amount of confusion and contradiction in the UNCLAS world on these weapons. From what I remember, ironically from the time Polmar was writing his book!, there was a fair degree of uncertainty in the CLASSIFIED world about them too!. Least at the level that filtered down to a lowly weapons tech that is!. Being able to compile a definitive view on these systems would be a very worthy endeavor therefore! Your site looks like an ideal place to publish that definitive view Meteorit! If Roels’ source can come back with anything that is!. I’ve got a couple of options I can try, but, equally no guarantees unfortunately.

Please see also the other sections of my site – I consider them fairly accurate in general. What do you think?

Very nice site Meteorit. There is a wealth of data there that must have taken a lot of time and effort to compile. It does you a lot of credit sir.

Roel,

Regarding that, fascinating, last picture you posted the green-painted weapons look a lot like conventional TEST-71 torpedoes. That, by size comparison, makes the grey-painted weapons 86R/RPK-6’s. Given that the UGMT-1 torpedo payload of the 86R round is quite blunt nosed I’d go with the view that the weapon has a protective shroud or cap covering the torpedo prior to seperation!

Here she is, the better version of the upper picture. Well it’s in fact a different picture, which gives more of the Torpedo room. As you can see, on the upper left is the same weapon. And the two on the rack down (well the most right one you can’t see on this one, but on the real picture I can see it). That makes three out of 6 weapons in this picture Vodopad or whatever version it is… Or is it just a protective cap on this torpedo? Or just a newer torpedo on the same rocket?

Ok Jonesy, can’t promise anything, this system has always been quite secret and sometimes he doesn’t like telling me or sometimes he does and asks me NOT to put that in public. But, this is very out of his “interest”. But I’ll ask it anyway.
That depth charge would indeed be a bad idea. I’ll post the acig post about this system here:

“A 1960 decree of the Soviet government directed the development of a new generation of submarine-launched ASW weapons. The decree assigned several of the country’s top research activities to the program, with the initial effort placed under a most unusual chief designer, Lieutenant General Fyodor Petrov, an artillery and rocket specialist. Two variant of the new weapon would be produced as the RPK-2 V’yuga (blizzard), with both given the NATO designation SS-N-15 Starfish. The V’yuga-53 variant had a diameter of 533-mm and – like the U.S. SUBROC – would carry a nuclear depth bomb; the Soviet weapon had a 20-kt kiloton warhead. After launching from a standard torpedo tube, the weapon would streak to the surface, where its solid-propellant rocket would ignite; the missile would travel out to some 21½ nm (40 km) with the nuclear depth bomb entering the water to detonate at a preset depth. It was developed specifically for launching from the Project 705 (Alfa) SSN.
The larger V’yuga-65 variant was a 650-mm weapon, launched from the large-diameter tubes fitted in the Project 671RTM (Victor III) and later submarines. This weapon had a solid-propellant rocket to deliver a small, 400-mm diameter ASW homing torpedo. The range was to be similar to the 533-mm weapon.
After initial underwater trials with a fixed launcher, a T-43 minesweeper was fitted with a 650-mm launch tube for sea trials of the V’yuga-65. Then the Whiskey-class diesel submarine S-65 was converted to a test platform (Project 613RV), being fitted with a fairwater over the bow that housed two 650-mm tubes. The S-65 carried out sea trials of both weapons in 1964-68, using internal torpedo tubes for the 533-mm variant. The missile could be launched down to depths of 60 m.
Both weapons became operational in 1969.
The V’yuga evolved into the follow-on RPK-6 Vodopad (waterfall) and RPK-7 Veter (wind) missiles. Again, both were given a single NATO designation, SS-N-16 Stallion. The Vodopad was a 533-mm weapon and the Veter a 650-mm weapon. They could carry either a 400-mm ASW homing torpedo or a nuclear depth bomb. Also, the weapons would be torpedo-tube launched; streak to the surface, where their solid-propellant rocket engines would ignite; and fly toward the target. The 533-mm missile had a range of some 20 nm (37 km), while the larger missile colud reach 55 nm (100 km) and carried a larger payload. The missile could be launched from depths down to 200 m.
Two Romeo-class diesel submarines were reconfigured as test craft (Project 633RV), with two 650-mm torpedo tubes fitted in a fairwater built over their bows. The modified S-49 was delivered in 1973 and the similar S-11 in 1982. After successful trials, the 533-mm Vodopad became operational in Soviet submarines in 1981, followed by the 650-mm Veter in 1984. They were placed aboard Project 671RT (Victor II) and Project 705 (Alfa) and later SSNs as the Project 949 (Oscar) SSGN.”

source: “Cold War Submarines”, by Polmar and Moore

What came to my mind was the fact that there was no 300kg HE mentioned…
Well, it is mentioned, but not as a depth charge…. Could it have been a anti-ship variant? I will ask this to my source. I recall hearing that some time ago, that it was somewhat similar to Musson in that regard.

That’s my site. Yes, the books are veeery old, especially considering that we’re speaking of Soviet equipment. However, they aren’t the only sources I’ve used – I’ve also used several web sites I have considered reliable.
However – and this is important – I must admit that I haven’t updated the info on certain missiles, namely the ASW and SLBM ones, for a long time. So if you really want to find answers about the SS-N-15 and SS-N-16, go elsewhere. If you find something I could use it to update my site also.
Please see also the other sections of my site – I consider them fairly accurate in general. What do you think?

Interesting to see that my site has apparently been pirated into Spanish…

heeroyui,

Your Inglese is just fine. Very much better than my Spanish!

The sources used by the website you linked to are a little old. Norman Polmar and Jurrien S. Noot, Submarines of the Russian and Soviet Navies, 1718-1990 (Naval Institute Press, Annapolis 1991). and John Jordan, Soviet Warships 1945 to the Present (Arms and Armour Press, London 1992). are both excellent books, but, are over a decade old now.

They may be right (maybe Roel could check with his Russian source?) but I’ve never heard of a conventional DC warhead and Janes lists only the nuke tip and UGMT-1 torpedo!.

Interesting little mystery…..over to you Roel?

greetings

the source is in ingles, did not remember it, but this is

Source: http://personal.inet.fi/cool/foxfour/sovmis/sovmis-ss-n.html

Excuses by my ingles, is not very good

Heeroyui,

First off nice work on the photo’s. Many thanks!

What was the source of those those spanish-language statistics though?.

They seem to describe a 300kg conventional HE depth charge warhead option?. I’ve never heard of that before from any source. In fact it doesnt even seem to fit with the weapons system due to the inherent vagueness of a two or three CZ sonar contact.

Simply the accuracy that such a conventional depth charge would require to be placed to target to inflict critical damage isnt possible over that kind of range!. The whole point of the nuclear charge or homing torpedo warhead options were to get over the natural inaccuracy of a long-range sonar solution.

Hehe, no problem I understand your language without this translation. (not really understanding though, in written it goes quite good. I’ve studied Latin for quite some time)
Anyhow, I just noticed that the weapon I shew was not among the ones you shew…