LA Ferte Alais ,Meeting Aerien 2012

A pretty good FSM.

The serial looks to be non standard…but ML407 was NL-D and French serials were smaller and this would be post D-Day stripes in January 1945.

Now I wonder if a period ‘in service’ image was referenced by the owner/painter.

Any clues?

Mark

Thanks mark for the reply

Googled around last days ,but didn’t find anything relating to ML407NL-D

Johan

Thanks Andy ,

Did you have a good look at the spitfire — Real or fake? —

Johan

A pretty good FSM.

The serial looks to be non standard…but ML407 was NL-D and French serials were smaller and this would be post D-Day stripes in January 1945.

Now I wonder if a period ‘in service’ image was referenced by the owner/painter.

Any clues?

Mark

Some La Ferte Alais 2012 photos are updated and corrected regarding title and text.

MS.760 PARIS ,F-AZLT (French Navy 32)

FI.156C-7 STORCH ,D-EVDB (Luftwaffe “EV+DB”)

SPITFIRE PR.XIX ,F-AZJS (RAF PS890UM-E)

Set : http://www.flickr.com/photos/pvdac/sets/72157629921672178/

For the reference , a list with participating aircraft at LFA 2012.
Just in case I may have forgotten one ,or the list contains error(s) ,Pls contact me.

BLERIOT XI-II (R) ,F-AZPG
CAUDRON C.270 LUCIOLE ,F-AZVO
DFS HABRICHT ,D-1901 GLIDER
DEWOITINE D.27 ,F-AZJD ,FAF6″
FOKKER DR-I TRIPLANE (R) ,F-AZAQ ,LW
FOKKER DR-I TRIPLANE (R),G-CDXR ,LW403-17″
FOKKER D-VII (R) ,F-AZLM ,LW4400-18″
MORANE-SAULNIER MS-317E ,F-HCJD ,FAF311 24
MORANE-SAULNIER A-1 (R) ,F-AZAN ,F-NUNG”
MORANE-SAULNIER A-1 (R) ,F-AZAO ,FAFMS-1567 7″
MORANE-SAULNIER A-1 (R) FRAME (F-AZAP??)
MORANE-SAULNIER H (R) ,F-AZMS
MORANE-SAULNIER MS-138 ,F-AZAJ ,FAFM374″
MORANE-SAULNIER MS-185 ,F-AZAZ
MORANE-SAULNIER MS-230 ,F-AZAK
MORANE-SAULNIER MS-317 ,F-BGUV ,FAF
MORANE-SAULNIER MS-317 ,F-BCNL
NIEUPORT 28C.1 ,LX-NIE ,FAFN7634″
SOPWITH TRIPLANE LC-1T ,G-BWRA ,RAFN500″
SOPWITH STRUTTER 1B2 ,F-AZNM 2897 ,FAF3214
SPAD XIII C.1 ,F-AZFP ,RAFS3836 5
POLIKARPOV PO-2W ,F-AZDB ,SOVIET AF9

STINSON SR-10C RELIANT ,F-GPJS
CASA 1-131E JUNGMANN ,F-AZTT ,E.3B-…
BUCKER BU.133C JUNGMEISTER ,F-AZBS ,
BUCKER BU.133C JUNGMEISTER ,F-PBRI
KLEMM 35 (SK15) ,SE-BGA ,LW3198 DL+UI”
NAVAL AIRCRAFT FACTORY N3N-3 CANARY ,F-AZNF ,USN69″

DOUGLAS AD-4N SKYRAIDER ,F-AZHK ,USN127002 20-LN
DOUGLAS AD-4N SKYRAIDER ,F-AZDP ,USN24143 RM-205
DOUGLAS AD-4N SKYRAIDER ,F-AZFN ,FN125716 22-DG
ANTONOV AN-2 COLT ,D-FKME
TAYLORCRAFT AUSTER J1N ALPHA ,G-BLPG ,RCAF16693″
BOEING B-17G FLYING FORTRESS ,F-AZDX ,USAF122960 DS-M
BEECH D.17S STAGGERWING ,N16S
BEECH E.18S TWIN BEECH ,F-AZEJ ,USAF22429″
DOUGLAS C-47A DAKOTA F-BLOZ ,315101 J7-N
DOUGLAS C-47B DAKOTA ,F-AZOX ,44-77020
DH.82A TIGER MOTH II ,F-AZEI ,RAFT6553 N
DH.98 MOSQUITO HOMEBUILT ,F-PMOZ ,RAFPM460 NE-K”
DHC-1 CHIPMUNK T.20 ,F-AZCH ,RAFWB557″
MS.505 CRIQUET (FI.156) ,F-AZCP ,FN8S.2
MS.505 CRIQUET (FI.156C) (R) ,F-AZRA ,LW2E+RA
FIESELER FI.156C STORCH ,D-EVDB ,LWEV+DB
VOUGHT F4U-5 CORSAIR ,F-AZEG ,USN124724 NP
DASSAULT MD-312 FLAMANT ,F-AZDR ,FAF160 V
DASSAULT MD-311 FLAMANT ,F-AZER ,FAF276
FOCKE-WULF FW.44J STIEGLITZ ,SE-BWM
FOCKE-WULF FW.44J STIEGLITZ ,F-AZMJ
FOCKE-WULF FW.44J STIEGLITZ ,D-ETUF
FOCKE-WULF FW.44J STIEGLITZ ,D-EMIL
FOCKE-WULF FW.44J STIEGLITZ (SK12) ,D-EMOF
FOCKE-WULF FW.44J STIEGLITZ (SK12) ,D-ENAY ,LWNV+KG
FOCKE-WULF FW.44J STIEGLITZ (SK12) ,D-EMIL ,
CASA 352L (JU.52) ,F-AZJU ,LWAZ+JU ,T.2B-212
JUNKERS JU.523MG ,HB-HOS ,Nr6580
PIPER J3C CUB ,F-PJBS
PIPER J3C-65 CUB ,F-PDVO ,USAAF443895 5-72
MESSERSCHMITT ME.108 TAIFUN ,D-EBFW ,D-IBFW”
EKW D-3801 (MS.406C) ,HB-RCF ,FAFN458
NORD N.262A FREGATE ,F-BLHF ,FAFOH
CURTISS HAWK 75A-1 ,G-CCVH ,FAF82
LOCKHEED P-38L LIGHTNING ,N25Y ,REDBULL
CURTISS P-40N KITTYHAWK ,F-AZKU ,USAAF2105915
NORTH AMERICAN P-51D MUSTANG ,F-AZSB ,USAF411622 G4-C”
PIAGGIO P-149 ,F-AZZI ,ITALIAN AFMM559
PILATUS P2-06 ,F-AZCE ,7
STEARMAN E75 KAYDET ,F-AZMZ ,LW
STEARMAN N2S-1 KAYDET ,F-AZJR ,USAF ,
STEARMAN N2S-1 KAYDET (PT-17) ,N707TJ
STEARMAN PT-17 KAYDET ,LX-LWK ,USAF28-ED
SE.210 CARAVELLE ,NOSE
SIAI SF-260MB ,F-GMRF
HAWKER SEA FURY FB.11 ,F-AZXJ ,RANWH589 115-NW
SIKORKY S-38B ,N28V ,CIVNC28V”
SUPERMARINE SPITFIRE F.XIX ,F-AZJS ,RAFPS890 UM-E
SUPERMARINE SPITFIRE IX (R) ,ML407″ ,RAFML407 NL-D”
RYAN ST-22 RECRUIT ,N53018 ,USAAC8
STAMPE SV-4C (SNCAN) ,F-GKEB
STAMPE SV-4 (SE-5A CONVERSION) ,F-AZCY ,RAFA8898
NORTH AMERICAN T-28A FENNEC ,F-AZKG ,FAF82″
NORTH AMERICAN T-28B TROJAN ,N377WW ,USN137777 KV-863
NORTH AMERICAN SNJ-5 TEXAN ,F-AZRB ,USN 90747PA-47
NORTH AMERICAN T-6G TEXAN ,F-AZBQ ,FAF115237 QH”
NORTH AMERICAN T-6G TEXAN ,F-AZMP ,USAFX-56″
NORTH AMERICAN T-6GF6F HELLCAT ,F-AZHD ,FN79413 11F-2
NORTH AMERICAN AT-6C HARVARD ,F-AZBE ,USAF43-12127 TA-127
NORTH AMERICAN T-6 TEXANHARVARD ,A6M ZERO ,F-AZZM ,JAPAN AF170″
LET C.11 (YAK-11) ,F-AZNN ,SOVIET AFWhite14
LET C.11 (YAK-11) ,F-AZFJ ,SOVIET AFBlack29
YAKOVLEV YAK-11 D-FJII ,SOVIET AFWhite5
YAKOVLEV YAK-3 (YAK-11) ,F-AZLY ,SOVIET AF
YAKOVLEV YAK-3UTI ,F-AZIM ,SOVIET AFWhite27
TIPSY BELFAIR ,G-APIE
JURCA MJ-54 SALIS ,F-WGBT

MORANE SAULNIER MS.760 PARIS ,F-AZLT ,FN32
SUPER ETENDARD ,31
SUPER ETENDARD ,37
SEPECAT JAGUAR A ,A137 ,FAF7-HQ NOSE
AIRBUS A400M ,F-WWMS
SIAI SF.260 ,ST-23 ,ST-04 ,ST-27 ,ST-03 ,ST-15

Regards
Johan

Hmm, I learned something here…

I always thought this to be a NA-50 lookalike (the fighter version derived from the T-6 family) but had never twigged to the French Hellcat scheme. Perhaps I had it confused with this US based NA-50 ‘replica’ (which doesn’t look as good in my opinion): http://www.vg-photo.com/airshow/qb39/na-50.html

Anybody who can shed more light on this? Was it converted to be a NA-50 or a Hellcat??

Indeed a good question.
I only know these (at least 2 ) Hellcats “looks” were used in a movie.
If these are NA-50’s or NA-68’s (like some sites refer to ) I don’t know.

Johan

More LFA photo’s : http://www.flickr.com/photos/pvdac/s…th/7307728490/
Click on any photo to go the “lightroom” page with the dark background and scroll up or down the set .

Morane Saulnier AI.
Owned by Salis Collection.
The wings were propped against the back wall of the right hand part of the main hangar.

A.

Thanks Andy for the confirmation

Hmm, I learned something here…

I always thought this to be a NA-50 lookalike (the fighter version derived from the T-6 family) but had never twigged to the French Hellcat scheme. Perhaps I had it confused with this US based NA-50 ‘replica’ (which doesn’t look as good in my opinion): http://www.vg-photo.com/airshow/qb39/na-50.html

Anybody who can shed more light on this? Was it converted to be a NA-50 or a Hellcat??

Morane Saulnier AI.
Owned by Salis Collection.
The wings were propped against the back wall of the right hand part of the main hangar.

A.

Unknown fuselage (2) in one of the hangars

Any suggestions towards to type and/or identity of these 2 fuselages
at La Ferte Alais
MS.30 F-AZAP already suggested ,any confirmation?

only one photo available

Johan

Look like a great show, which Sea Fury was it?
Like the Harvard looking like a Hellcat!:)

HAWKER SEA FURY FB.11 ,F-AZXJ

I’ve updated the text yesterday after a long google puzzle :

HAWKER SEA FURY FB.11 ,F-AZXJ as Royal Australian Navy WH589 coded 115-NW.
This Fury is ex Royal Navy TF987 and was used by Iraq as 316.
Around 1980 transferred to the US and registered N56SF.
At some stage transferred to a Sea Fury T.20 model.
Flew as in Royal Navy Colors coded 737R.
N56SF was lost in an accident July 2001.
Rebuild in California and first flight after rebuild in 2009.
Now equipped with a Wright R-3350 engine with 4-bladed prop.

Surprised to find this is actualy the N56SF 737-R I saw in Abbotsford.
It was lost soon after the show killing the pilot.

Hopefully the story above is correct.

Regards
Johan

Lovely pics Johan…thanks for posting them!
The spitfire looks like a replica to me…I only say that because the elevators are set to neutral,on a real a/c they would either be fully down or sometimes ‘up’ if locked…obviously I cannot be 100% sure just from a photo 🙂

rgds baz

Thanks Baz
The details of the elevator is new to me.
Will keep this in mind.

Johan

plastic, or better composite. will never fly!!!!
yp

Thanks YP
It was already obvious that it was more a replica than a real one.

Strapped together landing gear ,empty canopy ,clean exhaust and a fake serial (ML407OU-V is the airworthy T.9)
Although ,couldn’t find any reference on the web recarding a replica in this markings.

case solved ,
Johan

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/Melvynhiscock/DSC_9377.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/Melvynhiscock/DSC_9062.jpg

Thanks Melvyn ,
Great pictures specially the sunset one.

I didn’t see the Strutter flying.
Left too early or it flew too late..

Johan

Lovely pics Johan…thanks for posting them!
The spitfire looks like a replica to me…I only say that because the elevators are set to neutral,on a real a/c they would either be fully down or sometimes ‘up’ if locked…obviously I cannot be 100% sure just from a photo 🙂

rgds baz

Look like a great show, which Sea Fury was it?
Like the Harvard looking like a Hellcat!:)

Thanks Andy ,

In that case you must have seen the new Sopwith Strutter flying.

Did you have a good look at the spitfire — Real or fake? —

Johan

More LFA photo’s : http://www.flickr.com/photos/pvdac/sets/72157629921672178/with/7307728490/
Click on any photo to go the “lightroom” page with the dark background and scroll up or down the set .

plastic, or better composite. will never fly!!!!
yp

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/Melvynhiscock/DSC_9377.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/Melvynhiscock/DSC_9062.jpg

Thanks Andy ,
In that case you must have seen the new Sopwith Strutter flying.
Johan.

Indeed I did.
I was fortunate enough to spend the weekend as a guest of The Memorial Flight Association on the airfield.
The Strutter is very beautiful.
Andy

Thanks Andy ,

In that case you must have seen the new Sopwith Strutter flying.

Did you have a good look at the spitfire — Real or fake? —

Johan

More LFA photo’s : http://www.flickr.com/photos/pvdac/sets/72157629921672178/with/7307728490/
Click on any photo to go the “lightroom” page with the dark background and scroll up or down the set .

I spent Friday and Saturday there and I reckon it was the best air-show I’ve ever been to.
The weather helped of course.

Andy