Lad denied liver transplant

Will this lad be a future candidate for a liver or kidney transplant ?…if this wasn’t so sad it would be quite funny 🙁
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/drunkest-man-ever-tries-to-buy-booze/story-e6frfhix-1225789248474

Crikey Steve,how old must you be to describe a 53 year old as a lad ?!
I’m shocked to see it’s this man,as I’ve always enjoyed Yothu Yindi’s music.
Should he receive a transplant ?
Yes,absolutely,but not because he’s a famous musician
I hope he gets a kidney in time.

Anne…i’ve a bad habit of calling everyone lad 🙂 i’m about the same vintage as you 😀 as far as this man goes he’s exactly in the same predicament as our 22 year old lad was…he needs a kidney transplant because of years and years of alcohol abuse whereas our lad with liver problems was denied because he was an alcoholic nobody…our friend Georgie Best received preferential treatment because of his status and wealth of which he abused both times…so i can’t help thinking there is a double standard here 😡

Imagine if your relative had liver disease which was not brought on by their drinking and they were denied a life saving transplant (and later died) because the liver which could have saved them had been given to a drunkard who chose to destroy his own body.

Then who would be the most deserving?

If only things were that simple… Let’s suppose you had a clever, sensitive and artistic friend, who “through no fault of their own” found themselves in a situation where they saught solace in alcohol in order to cope with all of the dullards and morons they found themselves surrounded by…?

Where would people like that deserve to be on the transplant list, and could the situation perhaps been avoided in the first place by a better enlightened society ?

The problem with a lot of “drunkards” is that there’s generally a normal person inside just ‘dying’ to break out of that particular personal situation. I wouldn’t deny any of them a liver transplant but I would apply a strict acceptance criteria and heavy counselling to the transplantee and close associates…

Crikey Steve,how old must you be to describe a 53 year old as a lad ?!
I’m shocked to see it’s this man,as I’ve always enjoyed Yothu Yindi’s music.
Should he receive a transplant ?
Yes,absolutely,but not because he’s a famous musician
I hope he gets a kidney in time.

Apropos to what we’d previously been discussing…should this lad and will this lad …receive a prioritised transplant because of his celebrity status as was the case with George Best…or should he be denied because of his alcoholism as was the case with our young friend with the liver problem

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/yothu-yindi-star-fights-for-life/story-e6frf96f-1225787873486

…however he’s only a lad of 22 for goodness sake… he hasn’t even experienced life yet..

Errrrrrrrrrr he was so p*ss*d he could not experience anything even if he wanted to, well maybe wetting himself while passed out.

I also find it hard to have any sympathy for the person involved in this case, And I do not envy the doctors needing to make such a decision.
Its worth noting he had two illness or conditions not just one, Alcoholism is a ilness in itself and even if he had got a new liver he would have had to battle against that for the rest of his life.

To be fair I would rather such a organ was given to somebody who would stand more chance of making a go of their life and honour the person who donated it, The George Best thing still sickens me and show that you can’t always beat the demon drink and he wasted two livers not one to prove that, Which morally is so wrong.

Its stunning what medical abilities we have now and the fact we are discussing whether somebody should of had a liver transport or not shows how far this type of surgery has come. But even in 2009 we can’t save everybody and this case is one of those.

If he chose to drink to such a degree then it’s his fault that his liver was destroyed. Thankfully he wasn’t put above someone on the transplant list who had liver failure through no fault of their own.

Imagine if your relative had liver disease which was not brought on by their drinking and they were denied a life saving transplant (and later died) because the liver which could have saved them had been given to a drunkard who chose to destroy his own body.

Then who would be the most deserving?

My parents split when I was 5 and I’m not an alcoholic. So that wasn’t exactly an excuse to waste away his liver through alcohol.

I take your point,but you were hardly going to turn to the bottle at the age of five,were you ? Lots of kids find it difficult enough dealing with adolescence without the added pressure of a parental split .

I guess it’s a moot point…however… it looks as though the general consensus falls in favour of the Doctors decision

My parents split when I was 5 and I’m not an alcoholic. So that wasn’t exactly an excuse to waste away his liver through alcohol.

I’ve always believed that you’re born with a certain lifespan,and once your number’s up,that’s it.I can see why you would feel guilty Steve,having the heart of someone who’d barely started out on their life,but that’s all the more reason for you to honour their memory by enjoying every minute of the new life you’ve been given.I’m on the organ donor list,and if anyone can make use of my clapped-out old spare parts after I’m gone I’d be delighted.I have to say though that I’ve got far less judgemental as I get older.Of course there should be more emphasis on personal responsibility,and people shouldn’t go through life expecting that the state will always be there to bail them out.But I agree with Steve,this man was only 22,and who hasn’t made mistakes when they’re young?It seems to have been the familiar story,Mum and Dad split up when he was at the wrong age and he tried to cope with it through alcohol.It brings up the old question,is it better for Mum and Dad to stay together ” for the sake of the children ” while the kids are young ?

Steve.

He didn’t die in order to prolong anyone’s life. I suspect he got in the car fully expecting to get out at the other end of his journey. It just wasn’t to be.

His death gave other people opportunities. You just happened to be the best possible candidate at the time the organ became available. I imagine his family, even through all their grief, must take some comfort from the fact that his death has saved a life, possibly more than one. That’s a gift, both for his family and for the recipients.

I don’t know you from Adam but I have a feeling you are more likely to take care of that gift than than the young lad who died the other day after nine years of nothing more than self abuse.

Regards

kev35

He’s dead.

Most private medical insurers are reluctant to accept the deceased as new customers. 😎

Oh well thats handy, less of my families taxes being wasted.
(though I should have read the thread and article before ranting but I stand by my rant)

….He should be removed from the NHS database and be forced to go private, that way he can foot the bill himself…..

He’s dead.

Most private medical insurers are reluctant to accept the deceased as new customers. 😎

“Paul…i think my Mrs may have hit the nail on the head as to why i have so much empathy for this young lad…as most of you know i went through transplant surgery twelve months ago …and i went through a few months of depression (steroids) when i found out that the donors heart came from a 22 year old lad from a motorway pile up…i still to this day get depressed that someone so young with their life in front of them …died so i could prolong my life.”

And may the list of organ donors continue to swell!
The fact that you needed a new heart was not down to the fact that you abused your body (well,the odd bottle here and there accepted),as this lad did.
Lets give a huge round of applause to the folks who do sign that organ donation form and let’s hope the powers that be don’t give these precious gifts to ******* (I edited that!);)

It’s always unfortunate when people die so young, Steve. Of course it is, but it’s the people who die young because tossers in stolen cars drive into them and those who are lost in other circumstances through no fault of their own whatsoever I feel genuinely sorry for. As EGTC quite rightly says, this guy had a choice and he chose to keep drinking. I used to do a lot of gigs with Mickey Finn from T-Rex a good few years ago. We used to go to breakfast in the hotels and drink tea, coffee or orange juice while Mickey would bring a big bag of Carling and start drinking in the morning. He’d continue drinking until he went to bed again. The news eventually came through that he’d died and the sad thing was we all just kind of said ‘well it was only a matter of time’. It was his choice to live his life that way, and he paid the ultimate price for it.

We all have choices in life, and while it certainly is unfortunate this guy died so young he still ultimately had plenty of time to change things. It was his own decision not to.

Paul

Paul…i think my Mrs may have hit the nail on the head as to why i have so much empathy for this young lad…as most of you know i went through transplant surgery twelve months ago …and i went through a few months of depression (steroids) when i found out that the donors heart came from a 22 year old lad from a motorway pile up…i still to this day get depressed that someone so young with their life in front of them …died so i could prolong my life

Its his own fault for being a Alcoholic.
I want to know were he got the money for the drink from?
Was it :-
(A) being a tea leaf
(B) his parents
(C) the long suffering British tax payer (who also had to foot the bill for the hospital fees).

(C) Undoubtably (I’m sick of footing the bill for losers in this country and abroad)
He should be removed from the NHS database and be forced to go private, that way he can foot the bill himself. If he can’t afford it tough. People like him are the bane of society and our government encourages them as there is no sense of personal responsibility and never will be when they are bailed out at every corner by the state.

I’ll meet you half way Steve.
First,sit the lad down and knock into his thick head the reason he’s in this situation.Then do the transplant,but only on the agreement of a fortnightly alcohol test for at least 12 months.As long as the results fall between the recommended guidelines,then all is well.If the results show the lad is abusing his precious gift,then take it out before it comes to the end of it’s use-by date,and gives it to another.That means he dies! He will have the choice but us taxpayers still have to stump up for the operation costs 🙁

This article caused a great deal of discord and dissension with my family around the dinner table last night…i seem to be the only person with any compassion for this unfortunate young lad

It’s always unfortunate when people die so young, Steve. Of course it is, but it’s the people who die young because tossers in stolen cars drive into them and those who are lost in other circumstances through no fault of their own whatsoever I feel genuinely sorry for. As EGTC quite rightly says, this guy had a choice and he chose to keep drinking. I used to do a lot of gigs with Mickey Finn from T-Rex a good few years ago. We used to go to breakfast in the hotels and drink tea, coffee or orange juice while Mickey would bring a big bag of Carling and start drinking in the morning. He’d continue drinking until he went to bed again. The news eventually came through that he’d died and the sad thing was we all just kind of said ‘well it was only a matter of time’. It was his choice to live his life that way, and he paid the ultimate price for it.

We all have choices in life, and while it certainly is unfortunate this guy died so young he still ultimately had plenty of time to change things. It was his own decision not to.

Paul