Hopefully someone (besides Jack) will have something else to add to emblem of VF-38.
Attached are a few photos.
One from Jack showing a wartime photo of OC Hellcat with the emblem.
One of my photos of the emblem on the Hellcat 25910 – lots of missing paint though quite a lot visible. Also thought to be White 2 with VF-38.
A drawing (no not by my 10 year old son – would probably be better) – tracing and colours. I prefer straight line architectural drawing! Gives an indication though!
So a few Q&A
The emblem is a white circle with black edge. At the bottom is Navy wings and on it is a ‘monkey’ (without hopefully offending if wrong!) standing/surfing on it. The character has a ‘Uncle Sam’ style hat and we are trying to establish if it carrying a bomb in the left hand and a scythe in the right.
VF-33 at the same time also had a Monkey as an emblem.
It might be that someone else knows a bit more about the reasoning – could it be carrying something else. There is usually a reason behind an emblem and would like to have some feedback ideas.
Have a good weekend
regards
Mark
By: Bager1968 - 10th December 2009 at 05:35
F0014.….VF-11 Red Rippers, Boar’s head above blue & red shield with red balls & lightning bolt on white disc. Current design
“Current design”… sounds accurate to me.
Incomplete, yes… no mention of the earlier name/emblem… but accurate.
That site covers all eras, not just WW2.
By: R Leonard - 9th December 2009 at 01:50
Hmmm… this site http://www.ffmpartners.com/goldenwings/navypg1.htm
lists
And this site is not necessarily correct. It shows, for example, VF-11 as Red Rippers, something that did not occur until after WW2.
Everyone knows that VF-11 was the original Sun Downers, the insignia later adopted by VF-111.
By: shepsair - 8th December 2009 at 16:54
VF-38 emblem
Hi
Re-drawn (my drawing not improving!) and coloured the emblem as per the visible remaining paint – only the gun is the unclear part – little remains.
Interesting – no official record of this emblem – thought to be unofficial and from the period they were land based – Sept 1943. It went to a fighting Cockerel with sharp claws later 1943-45.
Now to find a picture of White 2 and find who the pilot was.
regards
MS
By: shepsair - 7th December 2009 at 09:43
emblem
Bager1968
Well this is incorrect. Might be ‘unofficial’ but it was carried by Hellcats of VF-38 in the Pacific in 1943. We now have the recovered Hellcat 25910 with the remains of the emblem and also two wartime photos of Hellcats with the emblems as well.
Just need to establish if 25910 had a name on the side.
I would guess the ‘official’ emblem would be from 1944-45?
regards
Mark
and thanks to Jack.
By: Bager1968 - 7th December 2009 at 08:51
Hmmm… this site http://www.ffmpartners.com/goldenwings/navypg1.htm
lists
F0031R….VF-38, Figure of black game fighting rooster on 6 In. light blue felt disc. 1943/1944 design
It would seem this was either used in 1945 only, or was an informal or individual one.
VF-38: Established as VF-38 20 Jun 1943; Disestablished 31 Jan 1946
By: Jack Cook - 7th December 2009 at 04:04
Ha ha it’s no monkey Mark.
It’s Felix the cat wearing a top hat with a jug of moonshine and a pistol riding a set of NA wings!
The difficult to locate stuff I find today but the impossible takes a few extra!
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