Lancaster KB882

OK, that’s enough now please – if you want to fight, do it by Private Message – all of you.

KB882

It was last on ebay 7 th Oct for it to be in the UK already 22nd Nov is pretty impressive didn’t know Concorde was being used to fly freight.

Well once again Dave Parrot aka Battle has all the answers……..to the wrong questions.

The FN4 was delivered to the nominated export agent and as such has left Australian border control.
It is now under the control of the new UK owners. What method of freight was used is not known to us
And nor should it be. Reevers has released the goods as have our Agents. To us that completes the export and import requirements and the goods are now in the UK.

Should anyone want further details we suggest making inquiries in the UK.

Note: if air freight was selected then 7 – 10 days is about the time it takes

Peter Smythe

Which museum would that be then. Havent seen any press about its acquisition.

It was last on ebay 7 th Oct for it to be in the UK already 22nd Nov is pretty impressive didn’t know Concorde was being used to fly freight.

Without wanting to deviate the thread too much, the Lincoln is stored away, still awaiting delivery of nose and rear section. When we were elected in 2013 we discovered the Museum was a right mess and lots of aircraft required major works, some more urgent than others. Doubt the Lincoln will be worked on until we move into our new Museum which is a few years down track, however the idea of a display cockpit is not out of the realms of reality, we have located parts that could likely do that. To give you an idea, we are currently getting the DC-3, Canberra, P-40, Mustang, Beaufort and Catalina up to speed. All down to volunteers and money, as always.

Cheers,
Ewan

Now I won’t have to 8hrs to visit her. She will look great beside NA337!! 🙂

I Agree with Cees:
http://www.aarg.com.au/gaf-lincoln.html

“The Museum has been offered donation of the dis-assembled remains of a former British built Avro B2 Lincoln former RAF RF342 to be used as the basis of restoration and display as an RAAF GAF Lincoln Bomber and is seeking cash donations or parts to assist in the eventual restoration and display of the aircraft, to become one of four remaining world wide, and the only one in Australia, along side the other rare and restored Australian Made aircraft already in the museum’s collection.”

Why not do the right thing and support the rebuild of the Lincoln that needs a lot of TLC in Australia.

What is the one thing worse than a troll?

A troll with no Lancaster!

If you want to ride on the coat tails of another organisation’s achievement in securing the Lanc, then crack on, fill your boots. Nobody is impressed.
Even less impressive is your arrogant attitude and your desire to belittle others.
Though I do find I have to admire your cojones in putting your name to your posts…

No troll here old boy and not putting your name to a post is a reflection upon those who do not. We, or I or us is used to describe the activities of Reevers and in the case of KB882 we have definitely not hopped on any coat tails. As this thread has progressed we (Reevers) has received a number of emails thanking us (Reevers) for reigniting the topic of the future for this Lancaster. I (Reevers researcher) can state that the previous discussions had about KB882 were well and truly exhausted – refer to numerous online media reports. It was Reevers who put an informal expression of interest to the council on the basis of feedback from concerned Canadian enthusiasts. At the time of submission of this EOI there was a new council elected and so the opportunity to raise the concerns about KB882 was initiated via Canadian national radio, TV and print media. The thought of a group from Australia coming into their country and challenging the new council on its heritage obligations was not going to be tolerated – that was obvious to us (Reevers) and our Canadian colleagues. The result of all of this was the new council had to re engage potential stakeholders in order to make null and void our intended legal argument of negligence under the current Canadian laws. There was no input in our EOI from any other party’s.

The people on this thread are some Australian based clowns who think there version is the only version and some of the U.K. Based critics are people who have failed secure sought after items for there own projects. The FN4 was sold after the EBay listing. We (Reevers) find using sites like EBay are a good way for all parties to monitor the market interest which then gives the buyer and seller confidence in the post listing negotiations.

Australia never had shackle tons so there is next to no interest in them here. Meteors are still plentiful in Australia and if you know who to ask a good example can be secured. So our (Reevers) focus is and will be on raising awareness about warbirds like KB882 that could have a link – if only in type – to Australia.

We (Reevers) will follow the progress of KB882 and will donate in either financial or other ways.

Peter Smythe
Per Reevers

The FN4 turret is already in the UK with a museum

Which museum would that be then. Havent seen any press about its acquisition.

OK, I think that’s enough now, on both sides.

Lets go back to playing nicely please.

What is the one thing worse than a troll?

A troll with no Lancaster!

If you want to ride on the coat tails of another organisation’s achievement in securing the Lanc, then crack on, fill your boots. Nobody is impressed.
Even less impressive is your arrogant attitude and your desire to belittle others.
Though I do find I have to admire your cojones in putting your name to your posts…

KB882

:stupid:

Now that is just plain rude and smacks of arrogance.

Now that is just plain rude and smacks of arrogance.

Lancaster KB882

:sleeping:

I certainly did check out Rich’s profile and looked at some of his comments. I don’t think my response to him or his comments were misplaced.
Peter Smythe
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Reevers

Really you don’t think that eh??

richw_82 Can you update us all on your efforts with regards to KB882 or any other item that has deserved to be saved?
Armchair pilots and desktop advisors are sadly commonplace and given too much emphasis. Actions speak louder than words. If you had any idea about the behind the scene discussions etc you would know just what a fool you are. People like you are a part of the problem, not a part of the solution.

Peter Smythe
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Reevers

Wow, so trying to restore an Avro Shackleton with hopes to one day get it flying again just with private funding and donations don’t fall into the same criteria as trying to put an Avro Lancaster under cover !
Sure obviously we all want to see WWII aircraft like Lancs under cover out of the weather , but credit where credit is due please .

Question; Reevers did this, Reevers does that… What is it with you referring to yourself in the third person?

I certainly did check out Rich’s profile and looked at some of his comments. I don’t think my response to him or his comments were misplaced. The Shackleton and Meteor are not in the same criteria as KB882, as expressed elsewhere we look for those projects that
need to be saved, not kept running etc. Its obvious the Shackleton has the private sector momentum unlike KB882. Further, if you had also done your research you would have seen that Reever’s had no intention of “taking” a gifted aircraft from anyone. That was just
an emotive and negative response to the good work of others. The FN4 turret is already in the UK with a museum (so stick that in your eye). The overall comparison of thread activity of Rich compared to myself puts him in a very well used armchair. I don’t want to share my pitiful excuse for a project to justify my existence and or contributions but some people do just by writing a response here. As stated, we know about Elsie and a number of other aircraft in the same condition and position of protection requirements. The answer to all of this is, if don’t like it don’t read it. I personally enjoy getting the blood circulating if it will help create constructive ideas and actions about warbirds. Finally – Reevers was notintending to bring the Lancaster to Australia for Reevers, but for a larger group more capable of doing the aircraft justice. As it appears this may not happen, there is no point in disclosing the details of those discussions. We’ll continue to focus on our current projects and the ones we have planned for the immediate future, but still keep one eye on KB882.

Peter Smythe
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Reevers

In fairness to his colleagues and Rich, he is helping with the Meteor NF.14 at Elvington (not Newark)**; but my personal knowledge of Rich’s contributions to aviation do not suggest that he’s a “keyboard warrior”.

His Shackleton involvement is impressive!

** Thank you for making that alt K5054NZ; credit where credit is due is a sound philosophy where I come from! It’s pity that some other people cannot see the merits in that point of view! :rolleyes:

Rather curious to see that over on the WIX forum this topic was pulled …….as was several of my posts and also Peters post ………after we had told people how Reevers played a part in saving this.

What did the WIX mods say in explanation when you asked them? Perhaps they saw things were getting heated and overly-critical and, rather than just step in and ask for calm, pulled the thread completely? An overreaction to a messy thread, rather than anything more sinister? I too was surprised to see it vanish. A lot of Canadians visit that board and I’m sure they were keen to follow progress with this very visible project.

richw_82 (…) Can you update us all on your efforts with regards to KB882 or any other item that has deserved to be saved?

Peter, to save you hunting through the forum, richw_82’s best known for his work with Shackleton WR963’s taxi and potential return to flight: http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?102256-Avro-Shackleton-WR963-Project-Thread
Although he can also be found helping with the Elvington* Meteor NF.14: http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?137187-A-W-Meteor-NF-14-WS788-Restoration-Thread

Phil/Daniel and I have had words before, but please understand I’m posting to help and inform, not engage in flame wars. I don’t want to share my pitiful excuse for a project to justify my existence/contributions!

*corrected – thanks TwinOtter23!