Lancaster NX611

hmmmmmm

Maybe they were just painted black? Will have to have another look

Reread Peter’s post. He says he noticed it during watching the video Just Jane. In this video it shows the making of Night Flight. Therefore PA474 doesnt even enter the equation. She was inserted in scenes in Night Flight but not in the video.

best regards, steve

Yup, the are locks in there on Robbo’s shot.

No way would the BBC have messed about adding the image of ‘474’s undercart to ‘611 just because of a pair of not very noticable, particularly to Joe Public, locks!

I noticed that if you actually look carefully at the ‘flying’ scenes the footage of ‘jane’ is cleverly mixed in with foootage of PA474 because the mid upper intermittently aquires a gun track. so it maybe that the u/c legs are actually PA474s

I haven’t checked the footage, so you may be right mate, but in the pictures of the practice runs they did in the April 2001 FlyPast, it looks like the locks are still in, albeit painted black. (Big side view inside on p20, and the cover shot in particular)

Interesting; I don’t know if they’ve gone so far as getting the u/c operational; why would they? Maybe they just came out for looks; after all, we here would be the first ones to scoff at it trundling along to ‘take off’ with it’s locks in!

I guess if she’d run long- if the brakes gave out or something- it would have been preferable to get her onto the grass/ ground loop her or whatever, rather than to increase the power and lift her off; the structural and legal implications of that would be just plain scary! 😮

As we have PO-S in Hendon, why not paint 474 as OL-Q next time round? I think it would be a nice touch.

Originally posted by Guzzineil
I’m sure that i read that PA474 was always painted to represent a/c that accomplished 100 missions?? or am i making that up..

I think that’s wrong – if you look back over the history of markings its had, it had both KM-B and AJ-G – neither of those Lancs hit 100 ops, but both were significant aircraft because of raids they took part in.

NZ665 in Auckland, New Zealand was in ground running condition for many years. It lived outside until an enclosed hangar was built in 1988, and until that time the two inboard engines were run regularly and it was taxiied around. Since being “entombed” in the new hangar it has been extensively restored but not run. I believe there are plans to build a new hangar from which the aircraft can be towed out and ground run (I believe the engines, or two of them at least, could be run) though the Museum’s current lack of a good fire engine and personnel is a limiting factor. However she is kept in very nice shape by a dedicated team of people.

I’m sure that i read that PA474 was always painted to represent a/c that accomplished 100 missions?? or am i making that up..

Oh good a debate on my fav topic!!!

Lets see…..:

FM213 will never have the FN turret fitted to the top as it is totally incorrect for the airframe and would require a large amount of engineering in order to convert it. They tried passing this on to the gov’t for consideration but they would not allow this work to be done. They had to stick with mounting a dummy top turret installation of the martin turret in its place.
The downunder lancs are both on display indoors permanently and they will never run or fly again sadly unless something drastic changes the decision making. Both groups should be commended for what they have done to their respective lancs especially NX665 as they both look factory fresh!

Lancaster’s Down Under

Is there are developments with the Lancasters downunder.

Namely NX622 Western Australia

and

NX665 Auckland NZ..

Any chance these will be maybe restored any further..say
to ground running condition! I think one been working on
the engine to turnover on electrics.

Originally posted by Eddie

Or alternatively a 101 Sqn scheme?

I think you’ll find that ‘474 wore a 101sqn scheme in the late eighties. Working from memory, I believe that ‘474 has worn the following codes (in this order)during her BBMF time.

KM-B 44sqn
AJ-G 617sqn
SR-D 101sqn
WS-J 9sqn
QR-M can’t remember sqn

Have I missed any or is that it?

How about a Coastal Command scheme. Those guys deserve recognition as well. Besides, it would look fantastic.

Willow

I now have this image in my mind of E.R. …….. NO, I had better not go there.:)

Lancman, OK I agree with the Sharks Teeth, just thought that it would be something different.

Also wish they would put a ‘proper’ mid upper turret on FM213.

Tony

Originally posted by Lancman
I just can’t imagine it flying over the Queen while displying a nice pair of t**s, can you?!!!

Who? The aircraft or the Queen?

Moggy

Your rant is quite justified Tony, and I’ll just clarify that I personally see nothing wrong with naked ladies!!! But what with the Lanc being almost practically a flagship for the RAF, I just can’t imagine it flying over the Queen while displying a nice pair of t**s, can you?!!!

Agreed that the continued existence of Sugar may preclude ‘474 ever appearing ‘as’ her, but I still hope it happens one day!

Can’t agree on the shark’s teeth though-ugh! 😮

Does anybody know what is the time span is, on finishing NX664.

As for respraying ‘474 I’m not too sure about painting as R5868. This aircraft still exists, albeit it need of a bit of TLC so I offer the following suggestions;

KB760 ‘P-Panic’
KB772 ‘Ropey’ and complete with shark teeth.
ED611 ‘Uncle Joe’

As for not including pictures of ‘naked’ ladies, to hell with the sacrifice that 55,000 young men made, as long as we don’t affend the eyes of todays generation.

I seem to remember reading that the B24 painted as the Dragon and its Tail, was considering a repaint because some objected to the naked breasts (gasps of horror)….

I wonder if these people look at the top shelf of their local Newsagent, where a damn sight worse can be seen.

PC is obviously of more importance to the current generation than the memory of generations past.

I also wonder if we should demand that all Tornado’s, Jaguar’s, Buccaneer’s and Victor’s which have taken part in GW1 and GW2, should have all affending artwork removed.

Just my thoughts,

Sorry, rant over…..

Tony

I guess the choice of sceme for ‘474 has to take in several considerations-it needs to be a squadron of particular note, or an individual aircraft with a good history, and then perhaps it needs to be a ‘clean’ scheme (I.e, no naked ladies to look iffy on Royal flypasts!) and perhaps an eye-catching scheme too.

Perhaps I’m talking rot, but that seems to be the thinking to me, just looking at the shemes over the last few repaints.

See, ‘Sugar’ would fit that perfectly! 😉

Agreed on the French blue one too, that’s going to look great when finished.

Originally posted by Moggy C
For those who don’t know there was a wonderful book published detailing the mind-bogglingly brave/foolish crew that flew her back to the UK from Australia in the sixties / seventies.

I’m afraid I don’t recall the title, but it is a great read.

Moggy

The Last Lanc.

By Patrick Kilvington.

Excellent book but a little hard to find.

Glad to hear you don’t overpolish the Lanc, Fluffy!

How about something like a mid 1943 12 Sqn scheme, with the codes behind the roundel, or something similarly esoteric? Or alternatively a 101 Sqn scheme?