August 6, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Hi
I am a Norwegian historian and journalist who is currently working on an article about a British Lancaster Bomber from the 617-squadron, PB 416, that crashed in Norway on the 17th of September 1944. It had participated in bombing of Tirpitz and was making its way from Russia back to its base in Great Britain. The captain was Frank Levy.
However, they came out of course and without fuel they crashed in a mountain in the municipality of Nes. The crew was buried in the mountains, but moved down the local churchyard after the war where they are honoured with flags, speeches and God Save the Queen every 17th of May on Norway’s national day.
There are 10 headstones on the churchyard and it was 10 nails in the wooden cross that the locals made where the plane crashed. There is nevertheless uncertain if there were 10 or 11 people on board that plane. We found in the Campaign Diary for the British Bomber Command indications that there were 11 people on that plane which means that there was a mismatch between the number of headstones and the actual number of people on board. Nine headstones have the names of the crew while one is unknown.
According to volume five of Royal Air Force, Bomber Command Losses of the Second World War, 1944 (W.R. Chorley) 1997, the number on board Lancaster PB416 KC-V was nine.
The deceased are named as: F/O F Levy; Sgt P W Groom; F/O C L Fox; F/S E E S Peck; F/S G M McGuire; P/O A F McNally RCAF; F/S D G Thomas; F/O J F Naylor; F/O D C Shea DFC. Naylor and Shea were from Wyness’s Lancaster ME 559.
One year ago, a 95 year old man told me that just after the liberation of Norway in May 1945 one of the dead airmen had been transported to Oslo and the British Embassy. He had participated on the transport but could not tell us why this soldier was moved to Oslo while the rest of the crew remained in Nesbyen where they were buried.
As you can imagine this event has been a major topic in the town since the war. I come from Nesbyen where the airmen are buried, and I would dearly like to find out more about how many airmen there were on board. And why that one soldier was moved to the British Embassy while the rest of the crew remained? This would give us the possibility to get a complete picture of the event.
Hope I can get some good answers from any of you here.
By: trumper - 12th December 2020 at 17:53
Could any info be shared on here if possible , it certainly sounds intriguing ,ta.
By: Norway1944 - 12th December 2020 at 13:10
Hi Gunnerside
Are you still a subscriber
I have been doing some research in UK and have discovered some interesting information from recently released files
Please contact by email: mail@nigel26.plus.com
thanks
Nigel
By: Norway1944 - 1st December 2020 at 08:26
Hi
Your article raises an interesting question
I am a relative of Charles Fox, one of the crew of PB416
I have found this document from www.flightsafety.org
This confirm 10 people on board
ASN Wikibase Occurrence # 147447
Last updated: 15 July 2020
This information is added by users of ASN. Neither ASN nor the Flight Safety Foundation are responsible for the completeness or correctness of this information. If you feel this information is incomplete or incorrect, you can submit corrected information.
Date: 17-SEP-1944
Time:
Type:
Avro Lancaster Mk III
Owner/operator: 617 (Dambusters) Sqn RAF
Registration: PB416
C/n / msn:
Fatalities: Fatalities: 10 / Occupants: 10
Other fatalities: 0
Aircraft damage: Written off (damaged beyond repair)
Location: Nes – Norway
Phase: En route
Nature: Military
Departure airport: Yagodnik
Destination airport: RAF Woodhall Spa
Narrative:
Missing in transit. Crashed after participating in bombing of Tirpitz, and was making its way from Russia back to its base in UK. The captain was Frank Levy.
However, they went of course and without fuel they crashed in a mountain in the municipality of Nes. The crew were buried in the mountains, but moved down to the local churchyard after the war where they are honoured with flags, speeches and God Save the Queen every 17th of May on Norway’s national day.
There are 10 headstones on the churchyard and it was 10 nails in the wooden cross that the locals made where the plane crashed.
Sources:
https://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?118555-Lancaster-PB416-c…
Air-Britain Royal Air Force Aircraft PA100-RZ999
Revision history:
Date/time Contributor Updates
06-Aug-2012 06:35 gerard57 Added
13-Aug-2012 01:34 Nepa Updated [Aircraft type, Operator]
19-Aug-2013 13:15 JINX Updated [Aircraft type, Operator, Narrative]
27-Aug-2013 06:12 JINX Updated [Aircraft type, Departure airport, Destination airport, Source, Narrative]
28-Oct-2014 15:47 Polish Updated [Aircraft type, Operator]
09-Oct-2018 18:04 Nepa Updated [Operator, Operator]
Text taken from the book “No 617 `Dambuster´ Sqn” written by Alex Bateman (ISBN-13: 978-1-84603-429-9).
confirms the details of 9 people on board
the 10th headstone may be the extra person who was transfered to Oslo and did not appear on the schedule
It is interesting that of the 9 people listed 2 are registered as “passengers” who had missed an earlier flight to return to UK
Transfer from Russia to UK, 17th September 1944, Lancaster PB416/KC-V:
. . . the squadron was notified that Flg. Off. Frank Levy (in Lancaster PB416/KC-V) had flown into high ground near Nesbyn, about 100 miles north west of Oslo, with the loss of all on board. Amongst those killed were two members of Drew Wyness’ crew, who had been hitching a lift home as their aircraft was stranded in the USSR. It had been their first operation with No. 617 Sqn.
Frank Levy
Rank:
Service No.:
Date of Birth:
Date of Death:
Age:
Regiment:
Cemetery:
Add. Information: Flying Officer (Pilot)
160142
April 1917
17 September 1944
27
617 Sqdn. Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Nesbyen Churchyard, Norway
Son of Haiavt and Marie Levy, nee Fermon.
Peter William Groom
Rank:
Service No.:
Date of Birth:
Date of Death:
Age:
Regiment:
Cemetery:
Add. Information: Sergeant (Flight Engineer)
1814429
abt. 1925
17 September 1944
19
617 Sqdn. Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Nesbyen Churchyard, Norway
Son of Arthur William and Ethel May Groom,
of Egham, Surrey.
Charles Lawrence Fox
Rank:
Service No.:
Date of Birth:
Date of Death:
Age:
Regiment:
Cemetery:
Add. Information: Flying Officer (Navigator)
138131
June 1922, Hackney, Middlesex, UK
17 September 1944
22
617 Sqdn. Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
formerly of 44 (Rhodesia) Sqdn.
Nesbyen Churchyard, Norway
Son of Julius and Marie Fox,
of Wembley, Middlesex.
Captain of Latymer Upper School, 1940.
Scholar of Trinity College, Cambridge.
Southern Counties Junior Athletic record
for 440 yards, 1940.
R. A. F. V. R.
In unfading memory of
F/O Charles L. Fox
killed while flying, aged 22.
Buried in Norway.
Septr. 17th 1944.
“His sacrifice, our freedom.”
ש ל ר ט Cherished husband of Marie (Mim)
dear father of Donald and Charles
“Safe in God’s keeping.”
George Muir McGuire
Rank:
Service No.:
Date of Birth:
Date of Death:
Age:
Regiment:
Cemetery:
Add. Information: Flight Sergeant (Wireless Op./Air Gunner)
1345937
01 January 1921, Paisley, Renfrewshire, UK
17 September 1944
22
617 Sqdn. Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Nesbyen Churchyard, Norway
Son of George and Sophia McGuire,
of Paisley, Renfrewshire.
Eric Edward Stephen Peck
Rank:
Service No.:
Date of Birth:
Date of Death:
Age:
Regiment:
Cemetery:
Add. Information: Flight Sergeant (Air Bomber)
1338511
16 September 1920
17 September 1944
24
617 Sqdn. Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Nesbyen Churchyard, Norway
Son of Stephen Charles and Victoria Dorothy Peck,
husband of May Peck,
of West Molesey, Surrey.
Allan Frank McNally
Rank:
Service No.:
Date of Birth:
Date of Death:
Age:
Regiment:
Cemetery:
Add. Information: Pilot Officer (Air Gunner)
J/88571
28 June 1923, Minaki, Ontario, Canada
17 September 1944
21
617 (R. A. F.) Sqdn. Royal Canadian Air Force
Nesbyen Churchyard, Norway
Son of Ben and Wanda McNally,
of Minaki, Ontario, Canada.
Daniel Goronwy Thomas
Rank:
Service No.:
Date of Birth:
Date of Death:
Age:
Regiment:
Cemetery:
Add. Information: Flight Sergeant (Air Gunner)
1499060
abt. 1921
17 September 1944
22
617 Sqdn. Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Nesbyen Churchyard, Norway
Son of Elias and Rachel Thomas,
of Llansadwrn, Carmarthenshire.
James Fraser Naylor (Passenger)
Rank:
Service No.:
Date of Birth:
Date of Death:
Age:
Regiment:
Cemetery:
Add. Information: Flying Officer (Flight Engineer)
54372
abt. 1920
17 September 1944
24
617 Sqdn. Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Nesbyen Churchyard, Norway
Son of George Henry and Elizabeth Bruce Naylor,
of Innerleithen, Peeblesshire.
Denis Charles Shea (Passenger)
Rank:
Service No.:
Awards:
Date of Birth:
Date of Death:
Age:
Regiment:
Cemetery:
Add. Information: Flying Officer (Wireless Operator)
146633
Distinguished Flying Cross
abt. 1922
17 September 1944
24
617 Sqdn. Royal Air Force
Nesbyen Churchyard, Norway
Son of John Henry Kilian and Mary Elizabeth Shea,
of Ilford, Essex.
I have a question: what was the name of the 95 year old who told you about the transfer of the body to the British Embassy ?
Have you asked anyone at the British Embassy in Oslo about this incident?
thanks
Nigel Austin