Lancastrian freighter ?

Lincoln Freighters

Chaps

For details of serial numbers etc, see my #18 on this thread (way back in the Dark Ages).

Regards

Allan

Pete, thanks for sharing the pic of the Lincoln freighter (more substantial than Lincolnian, reg/serial?), would love to see any more or find out any more info.

Sorry, they are the only pictures we took, somewhere at my mothers, the newspaper cutting regarding these aircraft is in a scrapbook, I must dig it out the next time I go there.
I tried to enlarge the original picture to see if I could pick up a serial number, but for some reason these were contact prints, taken with a Brownie camera, though I do have the original negs and the quality of other pics taken with this camera are surprisingly good, perhaps a large print will reveal more detail.

Pete, thanks for sharing the pic of the Lincoln freighter (more substantial than Lincolnian, reg/serial?), would love to see any more or find out any more info.

Very interesting, where did you get that picture from?
Here’s my photo of the same aircraft from the other side, and also one of the ‘Lincolnian’ standing next to it, my brother took these, I was messing about in the cockpit somewhere, probably attempting to start one of them up!!
These were taken in the spring of 1959, we didn’t come across them by chance, there was an article about them in the Nottingham Evening Post, and my father took us up to Tollerton on our tandem one sunday morning when no-one was about.
I also specifically remember a Brazilian Airlines Connie in the Truman Aviation hangar being worked on, I can only assume that my brother had run out of film and didn’t capture that one.
Incidentally, if you look at the port side of the Lincoln on the other picture, it’s lacking the tarpaulin on the engine cover and generally not looking so tatty, so mine were taken earlier, I don’t recall how long they were left there.

Hi,

I just picked the pic up on ebay for a coupla quid. I buy these things occasionally just for the fun of finding out about them. Always learn something.

Regards,

S.

Wow! Lincolnarians! Lovely stuff Hairy & Hanglands.

quote: ‘Lincoln…er….rian RE364…’

RE364 was an Avro 694 Lincoln B.2 built at Chadderton

Martin

So you do have aviation connections Pete, not everyone has a hangar named after them!:D

Now, now, there must be a family connection, but the keen type family ancestor researchers haven’t let me know yet.
As far as I’m concerned, the most important link is my fathers cousin, uncle Noel Truman DFC, Blenhiem pilot, thats enough for me.

So you do have aviation connections Pete, not everyone has a hangar named after them!:D

Hi,

Tollerton ’58 or ’59 perhaps?

And unless my eyes fail me its RF458:

Regards,

S.

Very interesting, where did you get that picture from?
Here’s my photo of the same aircraft from the other side, and also one of the ‘Lincolnian’ standing next to it, my brother took these, I was messing about in the cockpit somewhere, probably attempting to start one of them up!!
These were taken in the spring of 1959, we didn’t come across them by chance, there was an article about them in the Nottingham Evening Post, and my father took us up to Tollerton on our tandem one sunday morning when no-one was about.
I also specifically remember a Brazilian Airlines Connie in the Truman Aviation hangar being worked on, I can only assume that my brother had run out of film and didn’t capture that one.
Incidentally, if you look at the port side of the Lincoln on the other picture, it’s lacking the tarpaulin on the engine cover and generally not looking so tatty, so mine were taken earlier, I don’t recall how long they were left there.

Lancastrian PD328 “Aries”, Ohakea, New Zealand, September 1946

Lincoln…er….rian RE364 “Aries II”, Whenuapai, New Zealand, date unknown

Both Whites Aviation.

:p

Hi,

Tollerton ’58 or ’59 perhaps?

And unless my eyes fail me its RF458:

Regards,

S.

Perhaps of interest, we used BSAA’s old hangar for our Harriers in Belize. You could just make out the letters in the rust over the door.

There is a photo of G- ALPF in vol 1 of Jacksons British Civil Aircraft page 328.
I was another spotter who sat on the fence to watch the Meat freighters at Tollerton.

John

As Eddie so rightly points out, the later Lancastrians had 1+1 seating. The original Lancastrian III order for BSAA was for 18 aircraft. Ultimately only 6 of these aircraft were delivered, the remaining 12 being cancelled as a result of the merger with BOAC. The seating was arranged with 7 forward facing seats on the port side and 6 on the starboard (there is a photo of the interior of a BSAA Lancastrian III in “Fly With the Stars”). For the passengers it appeared to be a far more comfortable arrangement than the starboard facing seats of the Lancastrian I.
The Lancastrian II aircraft briefly operated by BSAA were ex-RAF and were only fitted with 9 seats.

Incidentally, following on from the original theme of this thread, there is a photo on my website of the BSAA Lancaster ‘Star Ward’ (G-AGUM) fitted with the rather ungainly Airtech freight pannier, see – http://www.flywiththestars.co.uk/Pictures/Aircraft/aircraft.htm
It only made one (hair-raising) flight, from Langley, before the idea and presumably the pannier were scrapped.

Thanks to the endorsements of Eddie and others on this forum, our history of BSAA seems to be proving popular. Due to a number of problems with the publisher, as well as being available to order via booksellers, the book, “Fly With the Stars” is now available direct from the authors, UK post free, via the website www.flywiththestars.co.uk . Please contact us through the webite if you require more information. There are more photos of BSAA aircraft on there, and a fleet listing giving details of some of the aircraft mentioned in this thread.

It is one of the better threads this forum has produced, I agree! In fact, the photo of “Star Watch” ended up gracing BSAA1947’s superb book “Fly With the Stars” as a result of it being posted here!

It’s some time since I went over this, but here goes for my best recollection: the Lancastrian Mk.1 as operated by BOAC and the RAF had seating down the port side of the fuselage – i.e. the passengers faced to starboard. There were no windows on the port side, and they had windows in front of them. Later on, the Lancastrian Mk.2 and Mk.3 had a more conventional side by side seating with a central aisle (1+1 in modern parlance). These had windows on each side of the fuselage.

Ric W – as you see later in the thread, we established that “Star Watch” was a converted Lancaster freighter (serial PP690). The doors actually look to me more like the bulged 8000lb doors than the standard doors. The Lancaster freighter noses seem to be the same as the Lancastrian noses, but depending on the conversion the tail could either simply have the turret faired over, or as in the case of Aries and the Lancaster XPP’s, the tail was streamlined from just behind the carry through for the aft spar for the tailplane.

Interior layout?

Ooops – it is a proper Lancastrian type conversion though, with full windows on the stbd side etc.

Nice to see this ol’ thread again. The fouth of Ric’s linked photos (see above) shows a starboard side photo of a Lancastrian and it looks to me like you can see right through it – windows on both sides. But other photos (nearly all port side – why?) show no, or only the original tiny Lancaster, windows on port side.

Anyone got an interior shot? I’d love to see how the seating was laid out. I assume single seat per row, offset to one side? Starboard?

It could be just me but the fuselage on the Lancastrian always looks different to a Lancaster (not just the pointy bits on the ends.. :p )

The first picture Eddie posted of “Star Watch”

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=58493&d=1102949651

I would bet is a Lancaster which is why he can’t find it on any list of BSAA Lancastrians. They’re not bulged bomb doors they’re standard Lancaster doors. Here are Lancastrian doors in this shot:

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=58520&d=1102968413

They are straight bottomed, not curved at all. I had a look on Airliners.net and found a couple of good shots that show this:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Silver-City-Airways/Avro-691-Lancastrian/1128934/M/

http://www.airliners.net/photo/BSAA/Avro-691-Lancastrian/1128761/M/

The other point is the tail. The streamlining starts well before where the tail turret starts…

http://www.airliners.net/photo/BOAC/Avro-691-Lancastrian/1128764/M/

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Flight-Refuelling-Ltd/Avro-691-Lancastrian/1128777/M/

Somebody tell me I’m not imagining things…. or have I been on the coffee tooo much this afternoon?

Ric

p.s. If someone knows how to make pictures work properly, knock yourselves out. Computers hate me.

Steady, Eddie. Aries was actually a Lancaster, which explains the H2s blister!

Just for the record, I can confirm Aries was a Lancaster 1. In the round the world flight and on a South African goodwill tour (my father was the pilot on both) it flew as a Lanc1.

It was not until the Polar flights (he didn’t do those) that the Lancastrian “conversion” was done.

OOOPs Didnt notice this was a old thread.

As James says, old but interesting 😀

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OOOPs Didnt notice this was a old thread.

I don’t think there’s anything to worry about with this one, as it’s also an original thread…

This thread is really interesting – thanks to all – it’s this forum at its best.

SoG