LCY New route

According to http://www.lcacc.org/aircraft/index.html, both the Do328-100 & Do328-300 are certified for LCY ops although the latter hasn’t been used on any scheduled ops as yet.

James

I’m afraid you’ve got the wrong end of the stick

Fair comment Wozza, clearly I have.

I’m just not used to people on here being concerned about airport noise. It seemed to me that these were your opinions. I stand corrected.

1L.

Aircraft develop – and the BAE146 won’t still be flying in 30 years time!

You never know it might be still in service 🙂 look at the B-52 started flying in the 50’s its still going to be in service for many years to come.

I’m afraid you’ve got the wrong end of the stick, the people round here despise the Jets and the A318 will anger them as its louder than current jets and I fear a severe uprising amongst locals against the airport.

I’m pro-anything that develops London City, but look at its name CITY, its in the heart of the city and I’m highlighting that the locals are not fans of jets and another one will upset them even more

They live in the city they get noise what do they want the quite ness off the North Yorkshire Moors 😡

If you want to reach cities like Antwerp, Dundee, Liverpool, Bremen, Berne and Lugano, then London City is the only jumping off point from London. Flights are operated mainly by four-engined BAe 146 jets or
twin-engined F50 turbo-props. London City is different from the capital’s other airports. For a start it’s owned by an entrepreneur (Ireland’s Dermot Desmond) rather than a large corporation and, secondly, its route development is driven by demand. “Customer pressure makes a new route possible,” says Richard Gooding. The furthest destination currently served is Lugano in Swiss Ticino. “Routes planned between now and the end of next year include Copenhagen, Glasgow, Madrid, Milan, Newcastle, Stockholm and Vienna,” he adds. Some of these routes are outside the range of the existing planes so the airport is looking to new models. The 100-seater Airbus A318/319 series is one plane the airport could consider. It would enable an operator to fly non-stop on longer stages like Madrid (currently the most requested route and one outside the range of existing planes).
“There’s a 50/50 chance this plane will come here. Flying the Airbus into London City isn’t a problem,” says Gooding. “The problem is what you do with the plane on the ground. [Although the Airbus would hold roughly the same as the Bae 146] it is bigger but taller than the existing planes and our taxi-ways and parking spaces were originally laid out for more compact models.”
Corporate planes face no such problems. Says Gooding:“60 percent of all corporate planes can land here, with Netjets being one of our best customers. Corporate traffic now comprises 10 percent of our total traffic.” The Jet Centre is at the London end of the airport and can be reached swiftly and discreetly. Unlike at Heathrow, executive planes are welcome. “We operate nine-seater Citation Excel jets from here on sectors up to 4.5 hours,” says George Galanopolous, managing director of London Executive Aviation, a major user of the Jet Centre with 50 arrivals and departures a day. “We tend to fly to destinations not covered by the normal flights from there. So that means Athens, Moscow, Algiers and Tripoli. The most popular destinations are Nice and Marbella. Main customers are banks and financial institutions in the City and Canary Wharf. Leisure customers are becoming increasingly common and now represent about 30 percent of the total.

James

As I said in my earlier posts your opinions seem to be those of someone that objects to noise from airports, which doesn’t make sense from someone taking part in an aviation forum.

“I’m a local resident and most dislike RJ100s and 135s”

“I don’t want the A318 to become certified”

“yet another jet”

“complaint with neighbours”

“louder than any existing jet”

“the thing is loud”

“not sure on city’s neighbours though”

When I expressed this before you said I was wrong, but your comments have carried on in the same manner. I’m not knocking you for it, I’m just intrigued that someone who seems to be an aviation enthusiast also seems to object to the industry developing at LCY.

1L.

I’m afraid you’ve got the wrong end of the stick, the people round here despise the Jets and the A318 will anger them as its louder than current jets and I fear a severe uprising amongst locals against the airport.

I’m pro-anything that develops London City, but look at its name CITY, its in the heart of the city and I’m highlighting that the locals are not fans of jets and another one will upset them even more

As I said in my earlier posts your opinions seem to be those of someone that objects to noise from airports, which doesn’t make sense from someone taking part in an aviation forum.

“I’m a local resident and most dislike RJ100s and 135s”

“I don’t want the A318 to become certified”

“yet another jet”

“complaint with neighbours”

“louder than any existing jet”

“the thing is loud”

“not sure on city’s neighbours though”

When I expressed this before you said I was wrong, but your comments have carried on in the same manner. I’m not knocking you for it, I’m just intrigued that someone who seems to be an aviation enthusiast also seems to object to the industry developing at LCY.

1L.

Wozza, I’m really not sure where you are coming from on this one. I still get this strange feeling that you like aviation on everyone elses doorstep, but not your own.

Could you please explain for me why you seem so keen that LCY should never again see any form of change?

1L.

I do agree that LCY should change and above I was stating that LCY has no plans to make provision for larger aircraft such as teh A318 between now and 2030.

The EMB170 could replace the 146 – I really do not understand what you meant by the above please raise specific points,

I want change at LCY and have come round to the idea of A318s – but as mentioned its NOT gonna happen soon

Wozza, I’m really not sure where you are coming from on this one. I still get this strange feeling that you like aviation on everyone elses doorstep, but not your own.

Could you please explain for me why you seem so keen that LCY should never again see any form of change?

1L.

Aircraft develop – and the BAE146 won’t still be flying in 30 years time!

Happy Today

Wozza, I’m really not sure where you are coming from on this one. I still get this strange feeling that you like aviation on everyone elses doorstep, but not your own.

Could you please explain for me why you seem so keen that LCY should never again see any form of change?

1L.

Hi Wozza thank you for your information now im not :confused: 🙂

The EMB 170 was due to finish May – November time according to my contact but I am a bit confused about it, it has only made the one trial visit and Swiss hasnt taken delivery of any as yet, so nobody is placed to use it here.

Well these could fly from/to LCY LOT , Alitalia Express, Cirrus Airlines and Finnair

James

I am a bit :confused: about this so what planes will not be here in 2030 then? but then again this could all change.

still think the A318 might fly from here one day and is the EMB 170 is certified at LCY now?

James

There are no planes there that won’t be in 2030 but they are saying they have no intention of certifying larger aircraft (i.e. A318) before 2030

The EMB 170 was due to finish May – November time according to my contact but I am a bit confused about it, it has only made the one trial visit and Swiss hasnt taken delivery of any as yet, so nobody is placed to use it here.

Happy Today,

Looking at the white paper recently released it claims that by 2030 the airport will be able to handle 8 million passengers, using the current runway no major infrustructual plans have been made and there will NOT be a need to host larger airplanes.

The number of stands will be increased and a summary of the master plan can be found here:

http://www.londoncityairport.com/masterplan/MasterPlanSummary.pdf

I am a bit :confused: about this so what planes will not be here in 2030 then? but then again this could all change.

still think the A318 might fly from here one day and is the EMB 170 is certified at LCY now?

James

Happy Today,

London City have announced that as of 2nd May BACON will be flying to Milan Malpensa, once daily departing 0930 arriving at 1230 as BA8743,

Looking at the white paper recently released it claims that by 2030 the airport will be able to handle 8 million passengers, using the current runway no major infrustructual plans have been made and there will NOT be a need to host larger airplanes.

The number of stands will be increased and a summary of the master plan can be found here:

http://www.londoncityairport.com/masterplan/MasterPlanSummary.pdf

not sure on City’s neighbours though.

Stuff the neighbours :dev2: they live in the city they get nosie What really annoys me is that they moan about the noise but still go on a plane to go on there hoildays. it pi** me off 😡

LCY will pay for it if it means for the A318 coming to the airport

off topic:
Who is buying the A318 is IB still buying it ?

I also here the Fokker 70 is certified at LCY

James

Indeed it is – but nobody operates it here,

Good points, but where will the money to upgrade it come from – thats the only problem that I have, if the money can be found that doesn’t restrict other projects then I’d welcome the A318 – not sure on City’s neighbours though.

Why’s that – it’d be a waste of money getting it certified, money could be spent elsewhere, i.e. on the DLR – just built and the branch line is already closed last weekend for maintenance.

Who would operate the A318 into city? Who, noone thats who – so why bother – anyway i’d rather the EMB170 certification got accelerated than yet another jet, which would cause complaint with neighbours (would be much louder than any existing jet) and then we’ll have some big massive protests agains jets – these Bexley folk like complainin!

But with the A318 at LCY they will be able to fly to longer destnations.I think the A318 should be the only big jet into LCY.

besides who would operate it,

wozza

Like LBAspotter siad AF and future A318 buyers

[QUOTE=wozza]I agree, but whose gonna pay for the taxiway’s and apron to be brought up to an A318 handling capacity – London City itself would have to, not Airbus/

QUOTE]

LCY said this sometime back (If you want to reach cities like Antwerp, Dundee, Liverpool, Bremen, Berne and Lugano, then London City is the only jumping off point from London. Flights are operated mainly by four-engined BAe 146 jets or
twin-engined F50 turbo-props.
London City is different from the capital’s other airports. For a start it’s owned by an entrepreneur (Ireland’s Dermot Desmond) rather than a large corporation and, secondly, its route development is driven by demand. “Customer pressure makes a new route possible,” says Richard Gooding. The furthest destination currently served is Lugano in
Swiss Ticino. “Routes planned between now and the end of next year include Copenhagen, Glasgow, Madrid, Milan, Newcastle, Stockholm and Vienna,” he adds.
Some of these routes are outside the range of the existing planes so the airport is looking to new models. The 100-seater Airbus A318/319 series is one plane the airport could consider. It would enable an operator to fly non-stop on longer stages like Madrid (currently the most requested route and one outside the range of existing planes).
“There’s a 50/50 chance this plane will come here. Flying the Airbus into London City isn’t a problem,” says Gooding. “The problem is what you do with the plane on the ground. [Although the Airbus would hold roughly the same as the Bae 146] it is bigger but taller than the existing planes and our taxi-ways and parking spaces were originally laid out for more compact models.”
Corporate planes face no such problems. Says Gooding:“60 percent of all corporate planes can land here, with Netjets being one of our best customers. Corporate traffic now comprises 10 percent of our total traffic.” The Jet Centre is at the London end of the airport and can be reached swiftly and discreetly.
Unlike at Heathrow, executive planes are welcome. “We operate nine-seater Citation Excel jets from here on sectors up to 4.5 hours,” says George Galanopolous, managing director of London Executive Aviation, a major user of the Jet Centre with 50 arrivals and departures a day. “We tend to fly to destinations not covered by the normal flights from there. So that means Athens, Moscow, Algiers and Tripoli. The most popular destinations are Nice and Marbella. Main customers are banks and financial institutions in the City and Canary Wharf. Leisure customers are becoming increasingly common and now represent about 30 percent of the total.)

I also here the Fokker 70 is certified at LCY

James

I think from LCY’s point of view it would be a major benefit to offer A318 access and I hope they get certification.

Wozza I’m afraid your logic is fundamentaly flawed.

The manufacturer is the one that spends money on certification not the airport. If the airport wants money to invest in its facilities it needs to be, and is, fully encouraging of any manufacturer trying to certificate its product, so that operators can fly into the airport, and pay the airport for the privilige.

The reason Airbus are certificating the 318 for steep approaches is because of the development and investment in the 318CJ project. This will require steep approach capabilites for Lugano, as well as London City, both very big business aviation centres, and likely destinations for any 318CJ operator. Being able to operate a 318CJ into LCY when the equivalent 737 BBJ was unable to, gives Airbus a significant competitive advantage in the market and is well worth the investment even if it just generates a single sale.

I agree, but whose gonna pay for the taxiway’s and apron to be brought up to an A318 handling capacity – London City itself would have to, not Airbus/

Didn’t think of AF – that would be interesting, as well as corporate customers – however the thing is its loud and LCY needs to focus its money elsewhere at this minute but perhaps as part of a general capacity upgrade (I reckon more stands will be built one day) then the A318 can be introduced.

I think Wozza does have a point here though, and he is only expressing his opinion and he is entitled to it, whether we agree or not!

Do bear in mind that LCY is not far from places like Silvertown and North Woolwich, where there are homes within approximately 100m of the runway, thus the operational hours have to be limited to minimise the impact on local residents. Only specific aircraft can be used by the various aircraft operators, as they have to demonstrate they are able to operate within these restricted limits.

I personally think that aircraft like the RJ100 or the Embraer’s are fine for what people require, and it is not as if they cannot easily get to another airport nearby such as STN, LTN or even LHR! 😀

Wozza I’m afraid your logic is fundamentaly flawed.

The manufacturer is the one that spends money on certification not the airport. If the airport wants money to invest in its facilities it needs to be, and is, fully encouraging of any manufacturer trying to certificate its product, so that operators can fly into the airport, and pay the airport for the privilige.

The reason Airbus are certificating the 318 for steep approaches is because of the development and investment in the 318CJ project. This will require steep approach capabilites for Lugano, as well as London City, both very big business aviation centres, and likely destinations for any 318CJ operator. Being able to operate a 318CJ into LCY when the equivalent 737 BBJ was unable to, gives Airbus a significant competitive advantage in the market and is well worth the investment even if it just generates a single sale.

Just for info.

Originally Posted by wozza: Who would operate the A318 into city?

My answer would be Air France on the CDG route.