Sorry, but this had to be shared. Love or Hate Airbus, you had to admit that this guy was very wrong. Sure, he’s a salesman but his drivvel goes beyond the call of duty.
Click for full rundown of leahyisms
A few gems:
“We’re not replacing the A330 [with the by-then announced A350] …
The A330 is optimized for regional flying and the A350 is optimized
for long-range flying. The 7E7 is optimized for neither.” — Wall
Street Journal, 30-Sep-04.————————————-
‘Leahy said what convinced him that the Boeing project won’t fly was
Boeing’s announcement that it was going to have a final assembly
cycle of three days instead of 30 days, a reduction of 90% compared
to the norm in the business. “Why would you do that? Because the
business case isn’t working.”‘————————————-
‘However, “Boeing will eventually have to come up with a replacement
for the B767. But, I don’t think it will be anything along the lines
of this ‘Super Efficient’ twin. What you will end up seeing is a
relatively ordinary airplane similar to the B767 that will try and
match the A330-200. They may get close, but it will be a plain
vanilla competitor to what is a tough standard to topple — the A330-
200.”‘————————————-
‘Entry into service of the A350-800 would be a year after the 7E7, in
2009. “We haven’t found any airline which is worried about the extra
year. I haven’t seen any great momentum for 7E7-8 sales to this
point.”‘————————————-
“The fact that [Boeing] only have 52 [7E7 sales] means that there are
a lot of those that are teetering on the edge that we believe are
about to go in our direction. More than half of this market is going
to go to a combination of the A330 and A350.”————————————-
“You will see a significant proportion of customers that Boeing
thought that they might have for the 7E7 now switching to the A350
because of performance of the aircraft.” — Reuters, 11-Dec-04.————————————-
“Boeing is in denial when they go around saying [the A350] is just a
warmed over version of the A330. If that’s what it was, they’d be
selling a lot more 7E7s right now.” — Chicago Tribune, 12-Jan-0————————————-
“The guy who gets on the playing field first wins a few, [but the
A350 is] about to take over the market.” — Wall Street Journal, 10-
Jun-05.
By: Grey Area - 26th May 2006 at 18:48
OK, chaps. That’ll do.
Someone’s on a wind-up, methinks. :rolleyes:
GA
By: philgatwick05 - 26th May 2006 at 18:24
Is anything I said in your selective, taken out of context, quote actually incorrect?
Taken out of context was it?
I quoted:
Well I guess he did not do the right thing then?
The A350 is once more hitting the drawing boards. After very few firm orders and a large airline with a large order seemingly hesitent to sign up. Obviously he couldn’t sell the A350, even with bailing out an airline.
Which was exactly what you had written, before changing tack and repsonding to something else. Quite how that’s selective I completely fail to see. If you wish to qualify it further, please go ahead. But I won’t be listening.
By: andrewm - 26th May 2006 at 18:10
Here you go Sandy. Something to help you dig your hole faster.
By: Mark L - 26th May 2006 at 18:04
As someone said on the anet thread that you lifted the quotes from (or more specifically the ifdg forums) “someone has too much time on their hands”. I’m sure that if anyone else was really that bothered they could trawl through thousands of press releases and find all the recent Boeing quotes against the A350, or more interestingly over the very long development period of the A380.
But like most people on this forum, I have better things to do…
By: Bmused55 - 26th May 2006 at 17:54
If you would all just take a moment to look at the quotes I originaly linked to instead of focusing on myself. You will see that Leahy has said quite a few untruths. He has also accused Boeing of doing things you could, perhaps, accuse him of doing himself.
He literally called the 7E7 a pipe dream and not what the market wants. Precisely this is what the A350 turned out to be. (Hopefully this MkV they are due to announce at FAS06 will be a firm and true competitor)
Now that the A350 is back on the drawing boards, you’d think Boeing would be all over them, right? I mean, PR is PR and Airbus taking the A350 back to the board for a 5th time is a goldmine for boeing to really sink their teeth in. But unless I missed something, they’ve not said a word.
I know that when there is a glitch with the 787 program (and I’m saying WHEN, not IF) you can be sure, Airbus will be all over them.
All that said…. Gustav Humbert seems to be the more level headed leader of Airbus and seems to no have Forgeard and Leahy on a short leesh…. perhaps things are changing?
By: Bmused55 - 26th May 2006 at 17:45
I’m glad we’ve established this is now an A v B thread.
Is anything I said in your selective, taken out of context, quote actually incorrect?
By: Bmused55 - 26th May 2006 at 17:41
ARROGANCE shear ARROGANCE
If Some one had done the same about Boeing I know who would be the first to complain
On the contrary, find me some good quotes where some boeing top leveler is really dissing Airbus and I’ll be as critical.
By: philgatwick05 - 26th May 2006 at 17:39
Well I guess he did not do the right thing then?
The A350 is once more hitting the drawing boards. After very few firm orders and a large airline with a large order seemingly hesitent to sign up. Obviously he couldn’t sell the A350, even with bailing out an airline.
I’m glad we’ve established this is now an A v B thread.
By: Bmused55 - 26th May 2006 at 17:33
Eh mate, you either have balls of steel, a short memory or both. I admire your peristance at anti-airbus & pro-boeing posts, you are certainly determined.
Back to the one sided topic 😉
Yes it is PR and yes it is sometimes better to shut up, but that doesn’t make someone dillusional. He is just doing his job and only sales through the door at the end of his role will dictate whether he has done the right thing or not.
Well I guess he did not do the right thing then?
The A350 is once more hitting the drawing boards. After very few firm orders and a large airline with a large order seemingly hesitent to sign up. Obviously he couldn’t sell the A350, even with bailing out an airline.
I think that comment shows just what planet you really live on! Both companies are as bad as each other, always going on against each others products. All Boeing did in the UK last Thursday on all the interviews they did was criticise the A380.
As Pembo said I would be rather concerned if the situation was any different, and not just in the aviation industry either.
Oh I know Boeing do plenty PR. But you don’t see them actively tell others that the A350 is a “dream” or stating their taking wagers on it not launching or flying. Do you? That is childish behaviour.
About these A380 critisisms from Boeing…. could you please link me up with some of the articles, I’d be interested in reading them. Particularly as Boeing publicly congratulated Airbus on its achievements. Do they come from Randy Baseller? Or the Sales Chief maybe? Or, are they from some junior?
By: kevinwm - 26th May 2006 at 17:31
Maybe thats because I have the balls to do it while others pamper to whatever else people say?[/QUOTE]
ARROGANCE shear ARROGANCE
If Some one had done the same about Boeing I know who would be the first to complain
By: Dantheman77 - 26th May 2006 at 17:05
Perhaps BMused when you have sold as many airplanes as Mr Leahy, then you will be qualified to judge his skills!
By: philgatwick05 - 26th May 2006 at 15:43
Maybe thats because I have the balls to do it while others pamper to whatever else people say?
What a load of rubbish. This isn’t ‘brave’ it’s just plain, one-sided nonsense.
By: paulc - 26th May 2006 at 15:38
The point I’m making here is sometimes its best to shut the heck up
well said – now if only those who persist in starting A v B threads would do the same 🙂
By: A330-300 - 26th May 2006 at 14:45
Airbus v Boeing, anyone?
By: Mark L - 26th May 2006 at 14:17
You don’t see the sales folk from Boeing bad mouthing Airbus do you? Hell, they even congratulated Airbus on the A380.
When it comes to PR you can either play good cop or bad cop. Leahy chose bad cop.
I think that comment shows just what planet you really live on! Both companies are as bad as each other, always going on against each others products. All Boeing did in the UK last Thursday on all the interviews they did was criticise the A380.
As Pembo said I would be rather concerned if the situation was any different, and not just in the aviation industry either.
By: Pembo330 - 26th May 2006 at 13:57
Eh mate, you either have balls of steel, a short memory or both. I admire your peristance at anti-airbus & pro-boeing posts, you are certainly determined.
Back to the one sided topic 😉
Yes it is PR and yes it is sometimes better to shut up, but that doesn’t make someone dillusional. He is just doing his job and only sales through the door at the end of his role will dictate whether he has done the right thing or not.
By: Bmused55 - 26th May 2006 at 13:42
Yes PR is the way of business.
The point I’m making here is sometimes its best to shut the heck up. Such as Humbert has told Forgeard to do.
You don’t see the sales folk from Boeing bad mouthing Airbus do you? Hell, they even congratulated Airbus on the A380.
When it comes to PR you can either play good cop or bad cop. Leahy chose bad cop.
There are some things in PR that you shouldn’t do and one of them is to make firm comments on something you really cannot gaurantee. Read the quotes, you’ll see Leahy does precisely that many times over.
If ever a thread like this was going to be posted, I knew it would be by you…
Maybe thats because I have the balls to do it while others pamper to whatever else people say?
By: Pembo330 - 26th May 2006 at 13:37
Oh please…get real.
This is the way of big business Sandy – it happens everywhere with CEOs and MDs – nothing new. He is not disillusioned, he is just doing his job by selling his products and slating the oppostion. This is atypical of business and politcs alike…you will find something similar (though I don’t have the time or inclination to look) for any airline, any aircraft manufacturer etc..
If ever a thread like this was going to be posted, I knew it would be by you… 😉
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