Left or Right, what's the difference??

GWB is a neo-conservative. AFAIK these neo-cons were very much inspired by a marxist American thinktank. Is that right? That could explain GWB’s trend to increase gov’t.

Cutting back on gov’t in all areas except national security. That sounds a bit like a totallitarian regime though, a “democratic totallitarian regime”, maybe. I can understand why Americans are afraid of their gov’t though, because it scares the sh!t out of people by all kinds of terrorist threats. A gov’t should not scare its people, in fact, it should call them down.

Cutting back everytthing except national security couldn’t be farther from a totaliarian regime. Cutting taxes and limiting the inherently ineffecient and wasteful spending of the government does everything to increase production and overall wealth. National security is a major concern right now, because priviously our security forces were NOT dealing with what is now a big threat. therefore, he’s spending money to straighten things out–communication between different organizations being a BIG issue.

Americans are not AFRAID of their government. It is our job to oversee the government, and ensure it does not get too big and overpowering. That is why things like the patriot act get put under a microscope–people want to make sure that their rights will not be infringed.

I don’t believe a government should “calm it’s people down”. For me, a government should regulate certain transactions, enforce the federal law, and ultimately, it’s PRIMARY responsibility is to protect us. The US military is the MAIN purpose of the US federal government. American citizens would get along just fine with out the fed. gov.–it’s the military we need.

We don’t need the government to spend tax money on midnight basketball, wasteful school spending, and lining the pockets of unnecessary federal employees.

Geforce you’re a right-winger? Maybe in Europe the definition of right versus left is the opposite because here in the States I’m a right-winger, and proud of it.

And as you know we agree on NOTHING….so I’m rather confused.

I honestly don’t’ care what anyone thinks about my beliefs. If they want to think I’m evil then so be it because I couldn’t care less.

No reason to get confused. Being rightwing doesn’t mean I am pro-Bush. I am rightwing in Belgium, but in the US I’ll be, a democrat, so leftwing.

Geforce you’re a right-winger? Maybe in Europe the definition of right versus left is the opposite because here in the States I’m a right-winger, and proud of it.

And as you know we agree on NOTHING….so I’m rather confused.

I honestly don’t’ care what anyone thinks about my beliefs. If they want to think I’m evil then so be it because I couldn’t care less.

Why not. There’s also Noam Chomsky and so on.

AFAIK these neo-cons were very much inspired by a marxist American thinktank. Is that right?

“marxist American”? How likely is that???? :rolleyes:

GWB is a neo-conservative. AFAIK these neo-cons were very much inspired by a marxist American thinktank. Is that right? That could explain GWB’s trend to increase gov’t.

Cutting back on gov’t in all areas except national security. That sounds a bit like a totallitarian regime though, a “democratic totallitarian regime”, maybe. I can understand why Americans are afraid of their gov’t though, because it scares the sh!t out of people by all kinds of terrorist threats. A gov’t should not scare its people, in fact, it should call them down.

You know that GWB has been increasing government rather than diminishing it, don’t you?

In areas NOT concerning national security, the government has recieved many cuts in funding. In areas directly, and somewhat indirectly related to national security, GWB has DRAMATICALLY INCREASED th esize of the federal government. One could fudge the numbers and say that if it weren’t for the war on terror, the government would be smaller because of him, and that the only reason for the spending is because of the WAr on Terror.

unfortunatly, we can’t be sure, of course.

However, I have said it clearly before, that many conservatives criticize him for not really being all that conservative at all. He’s got the core values, and is cutting the heck out of taxes, but he’s spending like crazy too.

GWB is a conservative, but he’s NOT THAT conservative. Tax cuts are great, but the increase in revenue o the government that will result from increased earning DUE to the cuts seems destined to fall RIGHT BACK into the government unless he plans on trimming quite a bit of fat.

No, no, Arthur – he’s been Fighting The War Against Terrorism.

Increasing the size of Government is what Bad People (and Communists) do. 😀

You know that GWB has been increasing government rather than diminishing it, don’t you?

Sure, it was a dictatorship in which the economy was run by the state. Not really different from all those right-wing banana republics.

As far as the American definition of right-wing/left-wing, you’ve proved my point. Right wingers here aspire for the smallest amount of government control possible, left wingers wish the government be involved as much as possible.

I identify myself as a conservative. You can point out aspects of any leader and say they are this or that, but Hitler’s Nazi germany was socialist in form, if not in ideals. socialists have more gov. control–maybe not by idealogical nature, but they end up that way.

conservatives (in America) want to cut governemnt, and allow individual freedom and individual self-determination. Hitler was so far off of that ideal, I can’t even begin to place him on the scale.

Seriously, he was responsible for the deaths of millions and years of war. What makes us think that evil son of a ***** had the mental capacity to stay consistent with any philosiphy? He was all over, and evil. We don’t want him on EITHER wing.

I would hardly call some of hitler’s ideals “right wing”…limiting personal freedom fo rthe good of the furher and fatherland? socialist….National socialist… He was as right wing as Stalin.

Ah, yes. Hitler’s visions of a racially pure aristocracy ruling over those racially less is in what sense an interpretation of Marx? The whole foundation of the nazi ideology (unequality among humans because of racial/national backgrounds) is about as far away from any socialist thought you can get. The ‘socialist’ in the name of the NSDAP was purely a reminder of the vague origins of that party in the disgruntled low-class parts of the German society, just like you will find many present-day fascists and nazis with a blue collar background. Nazism was extremely conservative, actually aspiring a return to a (romantical rather than historical) pre-Christian socio-cultural society. I think the term ‘reversative’ could be coined here (you can apply the same label then to Bin Laden and the like).

Besides, if you judge the sides of the political spectrum by limiting personal freedoms, i guess you should consider Joe McCarthy, J. Edgar Hoover, John (? not sure) Ashcroft and GW Bush to be some of the more leftist Americans of the last 50 years. Limiting personal freedoms and liberties to the further good of the fatherland… i can think of a few things to replace ‘fatherland’ with.

And Stalin can easily be judged right-wing rather than left wing. Under his rule, the inner core of the Communist Party grew out into a new sort of bourgeoisie not all that unsimilar with Czarist nobility. Add to that the fact that Stalin’s policies were nationalistic more than anything else, he can pretty easily be discarded as right-wing. Sure, it was a dictatorship in which the economy was run by the state. Not really different from all those right-wing banana republics.

He was as right wing as Stalin.

Correct – Stalin was a fascist monster as well.

Ahh, Ghengis Khan… Where are you when we need you…;)

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He was not even a conservative. They called themselves the “new world order”. They didn’t like catholicism either.

Funny.
Here we have a bunch of right-wingers acting all pathetic and threatened, sulking that they are looked upon as ‘evil’ by certain people/society as a whole/whoever (please specify, i never get this). Yet in the same post leftists are proclaimed as do-gooders?

Oh, and Minidoh: Hitler and Mussolini were right-wing. There’s plenty of evil on all sides.

I would hardly call some of hitler’s ideals “right wing”…limiting personal freedom fo rthe good of the furher and fatherland? socialist….National socialist… He was as right wing as Stalin.

Mussolini started his carreer as a socialist though. 🙂

Funny.
Here we have a bunch of right-wingers acting all pathetic and threatened, sulking that they are looked upon as ‘evil’ by certain people/society as a whole/whoever (please specify, i never get this). Yet in the same post leftists are proclaimed as do-gooders?

Oh, and Minidoh: Hitler and Mussolini were right-wing. There’s plenty of evil on all sides.

Seeing as there has never been a state that has truly and faithfully implemented the tenets of true Communism, although The Peoples Socialist Republic of Albania came close, the argument over wether the theory of Communism works in practice is, at this stage, unproven.

Hand, Im not sure if I understand what you said just there. Are you trying to say that Communism’s theory is good and that it works in practice?

They were undemocratic and unconstitutional, because a few commies in the senate didn’t bring any danger towards the democracy much like the few nationalists in Belgium.