Lie Gate

Well , lets put it this way, I hope the FIA are not taking into account that they were facing a top team had this been Force India or Scuderia Toro Rosso, I wonder if they would have recieved a three race ban. But you really can’t complain too much about LH because driving for either McLaren or Ferrari is a real pressure cooker, especially for McLaren, let’s face it besides DC,they had Hakkinen, Raikonnen, Montoya, HK, and for the exception of LH,and Hakkinen, they failed miserably. How do you think Michael Schumacher would have handled Ron Dennis?

…with all this technology surely they can know how heavy the car is.

To the gram! But then almost all the teams sail pretty close to the wind when it comes to the rules and ‘accidentally’ picking up dirt isn’t against the rules…

…and if you asked any of the teams if they deliberately did this they would lie…..I mean assure the marshals it was ‘accidental’ and that their driver wasn’t following team orders! :rolleyes:

If I remember correctly cars were only originally weighed at the beginning of a race…..but then some cars mysteriously got lighter during the race…..even after fuel use was considered! 😮

As I read it yes it does… Mind you it could mean until the Australian GP next year as that is where “infraction” occurred.

I think the driving over the cack to get it on the tires to add weight is very un-sportsmanly – with all this technology surely they can know how heavy the car is. Cars should be weighed as they finish the race not after the cack is added. Sorry gets my goat.

From the BBC website:

“McLaren have been given a suspended three-race ban for misleading stewards at the Australian Grand Prix by motor sport’s governing body, the FIA.”

“This will only be applied if further facts emerge regarding the case or if, in the next 12 months, there is a further breach by the team of article 151 c of the International Sporting Code.”

Twelve months? Does that mean that this penalty is to extend into next season?

The chances are that the FIA will penalise McLaren and/or Lewis Hamilton or both without taking much notice of the facts. Had it been Ferrari the whole thing would have been brushed under the carpet and forgotten 24 hours after the race.

There is a very good video (at the bottom of the page) on the BBC website that synchronises the McLaren radio and the view from Trulli’s Toyota.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8024661.stm

After the race serious errors of judgement were made by McLaren but the video clearly shows the confusion Hamilton suffered and the fear that he had inadvertently broken the Safety Car rules.

In my opinion this whole incident was caused by a young Hamilton trying desperately not to risk any accusations of cheating.

Remembering the incident with Räikkönen at the Belgian Grand Prix, Hamilton was unsure whether he had done the correct thing in passing Trulli, who was off the track, under the Safety Car. Although he had in fact acted completely correctly, fearful of a penalty, he allowed Trulli to pass him, and the far more experienced Trulli should have damn-well known better than to pass under the Safety car.

The man ultimately responsible for the accusations of cheating, Dave Ryan, has already paid the price by losing his job, after 35 years with the team…..and now is not a good time to be out-of-work in Formula One.

This controversy has nothing to do with Ron Dennis handing over control of McLaren as this was announced before the start of the 2009 season.

This isn’t cheating, not by Formula One standards, other teams have gotten away with far worse but then I’m sure Lewis Hamilton isn’t very popular with some of the other drivers. Just my two cents.

Young and foolish Hamilton ! but guess he had the team at heart! Live by the sword die by it! lies on that scale suck.

In my opinion this whole incident was caused by a young Hamilton trying desperately not to risk any accusations of cheating.

Remembering the incident with Räikkönen at the Belgian Grand Prix, Hamilton was unsure whether he had done the correct thing in passing Trulli, who was off the track, under the Safety Car. Although he had in fact acted completely correctly, fearful of a penalty, he allowed Trulli to pass him, and the far more experienced Trulli should have damn-well known better than to pass under the Safety car.

The man ultimately responsible for the accusations of cheating, Dave Ryan, has already paid the price by losing his job, after 35 years with the team…..and now is not a good time to be out-of-work in Formula One.

This controversy has nothing to do with Ron Dennis handing over control of McLaren as this was announced before the start of the 2009 season.

This isn’t cheating, not by Formula One standards, other teams have gotten away with far worse but then I’m sure Lewis Hamilton isn’t very popular with some of the other drivers. Just my two cents.

I personally hope they pay the full price for cheating! they need to show others that it will not be tolerated.