February 2, 2004 at 2:33 pm
Does anyone have any information re this incident, when W/Cdr Walter Holden, whilst carrying out engines runs to trace a fault in XM135, found himself in full reheat running allong a runway at Lynham. Forced to lift it off the ground, without canopy or flying equipment (to avoid a fuel tanker I think), he managed to put it down after four attempts, with only minor damage to the tail.
XM135 is of course the EE Lightning at Duxford.
I read about this incident sometime in the early eighties in a copy of ‘Mayfair’, the well-know adult art magazine – I bought it for the Lightning article honest!!
I mentioned this incident to Steve Young at Hendon yesterday, & he’d never heard of it.
I tried a spot of Googling, without much luck. All I could find was this http://www.lightning.org.uk/archive/0303.php .
Geoff.
By: DGH - 15th November 2005 at 19:40
I’ve just checked this thread and Im sorry to hear of Taffy’s passing please pass on my condolences to his family SteviePB. 🙁
By: Slipstream - 13th November 2005 at 18:01
I think the wooden box bit was a myth. He was my Wg Cdr at Halton in the 70’s and when he told us the story he said the pins were fitted to the seat, the canopy was removed and he was wearing ear defenders. I’ve just listened to an interview where he retells the story and it was indeed a ‘bang seat’ made ‘safe for servicing’.
By: leornato - 13th November 2005 at 13:52
“A team from XM135 O/H was dispatched to recover the aircraft.”
Seeing as this event ocurred at Lyneham and the main Lightning Mu,No.33 Maintenence Unit was based at Lyneham at the time I doubt if anyone was “dispatched” anywhere!
By: Vega ECM - 12th November 2005 at 23:48
XM135’s Flight – Why it happened
A few years ago I came across the technical investigation report into the background to this incidence. It all started when XM135 had a wiring loom changed in its electrical utility system (generation) as part of a more major overhaul. What the maintenance guy who did the work, did not know was that the replacement loom came from a flight test aircraft and had been modified with flight test instrumentation tapings which ran into connector pins, which on the production aircraft were used by the flight warning system. This created a problem that at high engine power levels both the engine generator dolls eyes would drop out supposedly indicating a double generator failure. The problem had first showed up on XM135 post O/H test flight and had necessitate a priority landing at Lyneham. A team from XM135 O/H was dispatched to recover the aircraft. Two attempts where made to resolve the problem, both times the test pilot drove some distance only to conduct a high speed abort when the problem reappeared. By this time the test pilot was getting a bit cheesed off and said that he would only make another attempt when the problem was unquestionably solved. Hence are intrepid engineering officer found himself lining the aircraft up on the runway!
One other note I remember was that the ejection seat had been removed and the pilot made the flight whilst sitting on wooden box.
By: ZRX61 - 12th November 2005 at 16:17
i do work at duxford every wednesday and i’ve sat in that lightening and on the panel there’s a little plaque commerating what happened.
I’ve sat in it also, just about makes a Spit seem roomy. During the 80’s a wiwol mate of mine pointed out that the missile hanging off the left side seemed to still have the proximity fuse in it…
By: SteviePB - 11th November 2005 at 23:40
Taffys flight, his words in audio recording available
I have a short audio recording (MP3) of an interview between a radio station and Taffy explaining exactly what happened. Although the first part is missing it still has the full description of the run-up to take off and subsequent events.
I met Taffy at a BBQ near Heathrow 10 years ago and know his niece.
I’m happy to e-mail the MP3 to anyone who would like a copy.
Steve
By: whalebone - 11th May 2005 at 11:13
A likewise post DX lift to this one, come on Taffy… spill the beans 🙂
By: Tony Norman - 2nd May 2005 at 12:03
welcome to the forum – id love to hear this story as well. Thanx
By: duxfordhawk - 2nd May 2005 at 10:09
To the person enquiring about the above subject title,
I am willing to add full facts about the inadvertent flight of XM135 Lightning by Wg. Cdr. W.V.Holden. I am that same person! Taffy Holden, Nantwich, Cheshire
Welcome to the forum.
This story is of Lightning and R.A.F Legend now but at the time it must have been as scary as hell.
I would love to hear the story from your side also and i wonder if you have flown anything else jet wise since.
By: scott c - 2nd May 2005 at 06:43
Hi Walter
Welcome to the forum
As a Lightning owner id love to hear your own side of the story.
Scott C
By: Corsair166b - 30th April 2005 at 23:39
Kudos to you sir, for getting yourself down from a predicament in which many others would most likely have perished! One heck of a story for when you’re sitting around the campfire with your kids…
Mark
By: von Perthes - 30th April 2005 at 20:14
Blimey! I’d forgotten all about this thread.
Walter, many thanks for responding to the thread. Anything you have to say about this incident will be most welcome.
Do you ever get down to Duxford to see ‘your’ Lightning? I’m sure you would be most welcome at one of our occaisional forum meets, especially if it was at Duxford. Now wouldn’t that make a great group photo in front of XM135.
Geoff.
By: merlin70 - 30th April 2005 at 18:17
To the person enquiring about the above subject title,
I am willing to add full facts about the inadvertent flight of XM135 Lightning by Wg. Cdr. W.V.Holden. I am that same person! Taffy Holden, Nantwich, Cheshire
Welcome to the Forum. I guess this is what many of come here for. Historical events and the people that made them.
I take it that OC Lyneham was either very impressed or understanding. Is there such a charge as taking and flying away?
By: SJMF-15 - 30th April 2005 at 17:25
i do work at duxford every wednesday and i’ve sat in that lightening and on the panel there’s a little plaque commerating what happened.
By: whalebone - 30th April 2005 at 13:03
Welcome aboard the forum Sir !
It’s a story that has facinated Lightning fans for years (me included)
I suspect you are about to be bombarded with questions 😀
best regards,
Phil.
By: DGH - 30th April 2005 at 13:02
WOW a real life Lightning legend on here!
Walter, any truth in the story that you did a few extra circuits because you were having such a good time! 😀
By: Walter Holden - 30th April 2005 at 12:29
Lightning XM135 Flight
To the person enquiring about the above subject title,
I am willing to add full facts about the inadvertent flight of XM135 Lightning by Wg. Cdr. W.V.Holden. I am that same person! Taffy Holden, Nantwich, Cheshire
By: Jagan - 4th February 2004 at 12:27
Oh. its those green little men I tell you, they did it….
(thinks to myself – what a wonderful tale!)
By: scott c - 4th February 2004 at 10:41
Hi JDK
Yep your right it went back into service and the fault came back again.
Scott C
By: JDK - 3rd February 2004 at 18:32
Needless to say:
All flight sims seemed tame to him after that…
The ‘persistant electrical fault’ failed to show on W/C Holden’s flight, but no doubt after the a/c was back in service!
Cheers