Little bit of fun if your up for it.

OK I will try again

3 Absalon class multi-role Frigates. Fitted with type 997 radar, weapons fit phase 1 across the class will be one 4.5 inch gun taken from the Type 21’s , two DS30 30mm’s taken from the Castle & Peacock Classes , two 20mm cannons taken from the Type 21’s , remove the Stanflex system and fit 14 Mk 41 VLS’s and have room for 8 Harpoon’s cost $930 million

6 Oaxaca class 86m OPV’s fitted with Scanter 4100 radar weapons fit one 76mm two MSI Defence Seahawk mounted 20mm cannons wired for SeaRam system Cost $280 million

2 Makassar Landing platform dock fitted with Scanter 4100 radar, link16 and sat coms weapon fit one 76mm taken from Peacock class four MSI Defence Seahawk mounted 20mm cannons , connons taken from Type 21’s wired for SeaRam Cost $110 million
Upgrade the 8 Lynx’s $ 120 million

Buy 6 Super Puma $ 120 million to help with movement of troops and kit from ship to shore

15 Scan Eagle systems $48 million for the marines a unit to be set up and able to operate this system from land or from all classes of ship

6 SeaRam systems to be fitted to Oaxaca & Makassar classes if on foreign deployment $150 million

Total cost naval spending $1.75 billion

Upgrade the F/A-18’s $300 million

Upgrade the 8 Pumas to HC2 $140 million look into folding rotor head so they could operate from Makassar or Absalon classes if pushed

Buy 14 FA-50’s $450 million to replace the Hawk T1’s

Upgrade the 4 P-3s $80 million

Buy a forth C-130 of the same model as the 3 in service and upgrade all 4 to the same standard and able to A2A refuel with wing pods $100 million

Stan hdy What weapons fit do the Type 21’s have in this game? is it as taken on or have they seen any refit from 93 something like the Pakistan Navy

1x SMART-S Mk2 cost of well over US$8 Million per set. Likewise 1 Millenium gun. RIM-162 ESSM has a unit cost of $840,000 to $970,000 per round. It adds up pretty quicky

so is the price of 183 million dollars for a ship with the radar and sensors fitted and no weapons or are fixed gun and cannons fitted in the price

If you exclude the cost of the feasibility studies in 1999.
This is hull, mechanical and electrical systems only.
Mind you this is about 10 years ago (pre 2008 economic crisis), so do allow for inflation, devaluation etc.
Correlate price with the Huitfeldt frigate unit cost as well.
I would think Absalon would be a bit cheaper than Huitfeldt due to ‘lesser’ weapon and sensor suite (but not a whole lot).

Cost: DKK2.5bn(total),[1] (~US$225m/ship) excluding weapon modules

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absalon-class_support_ship

One of the reasons that the Absalon class was attainable, was a willingness to accept systems being installed in phases. This meant a delay in acheiving full operational status but both ships were available for limited operations in the meantime. It has also resulted in some confusion over costs. Prices as low as 1.256 billion Kroner (Cdn $263M) have been quoted. The actual cost for the entire Absalon class program, completely equipped, is quoted as 2.7B Kroner (Cdn $565M).

http://www.casr.ca/id-danish-naval-projects-absalon.htm
= $282,5 million per unit

The latter figure sound quite reasonable compared to the unit cost of the huitfeldt

Program Acquisition Plan: The Naval Material Command (NMC), in cooperation with a number of foreign designers, initiated a pre-feasibility study for the two Flexible Support Ships authorized under Defense Agreement 2000-2004. An integrated part of the study was the derivative design for the Patrol Ship variants.

Feasibility studies for the program, involving Direction Constructions des Navales International (DCNI) (now Armaris) and BAE Systems, were completed by the end of 1999. Three Danish shipyards (Oerskov Steel Shipyard, Odense Steel Shipyard (Lindoe Yard), and Danyard Aalborg Shipyard) were selected to submit detailed designs and prices by May 2001. Danyard Aalborg Shipyard declined to bid on this program. Tenders were returned in late June 2001, however, both were above the set ceiling price of US$110M (hull, mechanical, and electrical systems only).

On 03 August 2001, the NMC cancelled the tender activity and entered into parallel negotiations with Oerskov and Odense yards. Several meetings were held to clarify the specifications, and to mitigate areas of risk and identify cost savings in order to reduce the overall price. On 15 October 2001, as a result of these negotiations, Odense Steel Shipyard was awarded a US$110M contract for the detailed design and construction of the two ships. First steel was cut for Absalon on 30 April 2003, launched on 25 February 2004 and accepted by the Royal Danish Navy (RDN) on 19 October 2004. The second unit, Esbern Snare, was launched on 21 June 2004 and accepted by the RDN on 18 April 2005.

An additional US$256M was authorized to complete the construction and integrate both units of the class, allowing a total cost of US$183M per unit. The US$183M does not include the containerized STANFLEX systems, which are already in stock or funded through a separate budget.

http://www.amiinter.com/samples/denmark/DA6001.html

The Danish Iver Huitfeldt class, which costs as little as $333 million per ship (including sensors and weapons!)
http://www.navalreview.ca/wp-content/uploads/public/vol8num4/vol8num4art6.pdf+

The Danes claim Nils Juel and its sister ships were built for US $325 million apiece — an impressive accomplishment for a ship displacing more than 6,600 tons, fitted with a sophisticated combat and communications suite, armed with Standard, Evolved Sea Sparrow and Harpoon missiles, 76mm and 35mm guns, torpedoes and a helicopter, able to cut the waters at 30 knots and travel more than 9,000 nautical miles without refueling.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?159275-Iver-Huitfeldt-class-Frigate&p=7465389&viewfull=1#post7465389

he Navy should purchase any of the cheaper, more versatile, more survivable, LCS alternatives available on the world market:

Denmark’s Iver Huitfeldt class frigate is twice the size of the LCS, has twice the range, orders of magnitude more firepower, and at a price of $333 million before weapons and costs about $450 million less than an LCS.21 Crucially, it drafts only three feet deeper than the LCS.
http://www.ciponline.org/research/html/littoral-combat-ship

The Danish frigate displaces twice that which an LCS does (6,600 tons versus 3,300 tons), but costs only $332M per ship excluding weapons. Even if one assumes that the weapons will double the cost, the Huitfeldts’ pricetag remains about the same as the DOD estimate for the LCS.
http://warontherocks.com/2013/08/getting-our-moneys-worth-lcs-vs-iver-huitfeldt-class/

631 miljoen euro voor de drie schepen [€631 million for 3]
http://marineschepen.nl/schepen/iver-huitfeldt.html

so is the price of 183 million dollars for a ship with the radar and sensors fitted and no weapons or are fixed gun and cannons fitted in the price

No small patrol ships?

A big frigate cannot be at 10 places at once to chase all those small fishing boats from neighbouring countries.

4 x Peacock-class corvette built for Minitaya in 1982 can’t either!

The assignment focusses on protecting off shore oil assets, sealift ship to help with disaster relief and movement of the marines. Inshore patrol duties and fisheries protection should be offloaded to civilian agencies.

The original fleet comprises 5 larger ships, with the Castle’s giving range/endurance and the frigates punch. That’s what I sought to replace, with maximum commonality. Damen Crossover has a stern that can house, launch and recover up to 4 RIBs and/or lcvp and/or combat boats. It could thus serve as base ship for those smaller vessels, which can be used for patrol, boarding, pursuit, in combination with the ship’s helicopters: refurbished, modernized SeaLynx.

The vessels in the XO ‘family’ are relatively small: the XO115 numbers 115 metres in length and displaces 4500 tonnes. The largest XO137 measures 137 metres in length and weighs 5600 tonnes. A high level of automation, allows for only a small crew, thus limiting the life-cycle costs.

Equip it with a Thales I-mast 500 (with 150km detection range APAR integrated), backed with Smart S MK2 (with 250km detection in 13.5 RPM long range mode, 150km in 27rpm mode), 1x MK41 8-cell with ESSM, 1x Mk41 8-cell with dual role (reduced warhead, increased range, antiship+land attack) LRASM, 2×4 deckmounted multirole NSM/JSM, a 127mm Oto/Vulcan, 2x 35mm Oerlikon Millenium and 2-4 remote control small caliber guns (12,7-27mm range). At least three ships should also be ASW capable (sonars, light weight torpedoes launchers) – in which case 2 should be more assault oriented – but if you can have both in the same package than preferable 5 identical ships. Pondering the question of an MCM capability e.g. using remote control boats and ROVs.

Equip JSS similarly except for the ASW component. Alternatively, to save cost, use I-Mast 400 plus 2×4 NSM/JSM, 2x35mm and 2-4 small caliber RCT. Funds permitting (depending on the XO unit cost, assumed $300 million here, and AF modernization plan) a pair of JSS ($500 million each) is the preferred option. Trade off here could be 1 fewer Damen XO (not preferred).

5 ships of the Damen Crossover XO / Mission Flexible Combatant design e.g. 3 frigates and 2 assault
Backed by a Damen JSS.
= 2 billion

use 1 billion to upgrade Lynxes, F18, P3s and get some uavs and aewc platforms

No small patrol ships?

A big frigate cannot be at 10 places at once to chase all those small fishing boats from neighbouring countries.

5 ships of the Damen Crossover XO / Mission Flexible Combatant design e.g. 3 frigates and 2 assault
Backed by a Damen JSS.
= 2 billion

use 1 billion to upgrade Lynxes, F18, P3s and get some uavs and aewc platforms

NAVY

*2x Karel Doorman Class – Joint Support Ship – Netherlands
*Price: $400 million each ($800 million)

€408 million per unit > $474 million

these ship are reported as costing $225 to $260 million dollars so I am sorry 900 million to to 1.04 billion for 4 ship its the 4 engine Iver Huitfeldt-class ships that cost 335 million each 80% same hull different fit out

Program Acquisition Plan: The Naval Material Command (NMC), in cooperation with a number of foreign designers, initiated a pre-feasibility study for the two Flexible Support Ships authorized under Defense Agreement 2000-2004. An integrated part of the study was the derivative design for the Patrol Ship variants.

Feasibility studies for the program, involving Direction Constructions des Navales International (DCNI) (now Armaris) and BAE Systems, were completed by the end of 1999. Three Danish shipyards (Oerskov Steel Shipyard, Odense Steel Shipyard (Lindoe Yard), and Danyard Aalborg Shipyard) were selected to submit detailed designs and prices by May 2001. Danyard Aalborg Shipyard declined to bid on this program. Tenders were returned in late June 2001, however, both were above the set ceiling price of US$110M (hull, mechanical, and electrical systems only).

On 03 August 2001, the NMC cancelled the tender activity and entered into parallel negotiations with Oerskov and Odense yards. Several meetings were held to clarify the specifications, and to mitigate areas of risk and identify cost savings in order to reduce the overall price. On 15 October 2001, as a result of these negotiations, Odense Steel Shipyard was awarded a US$110M contract for the detailed design and construction of the two ships. First steel was cut for Absalon on 30 April 2003, launched on 25 February 2004 and accepted by the Royal Danish Navy (RDN) on 19 October 2004. The second unit, Esbern Snare, was launched on 21 June 2004 and accepted by the RDN on 18 April 2005.

An additional US$256M was authorized to complete the construction and integrate both units of the class, allowing a total cost of US$183M per unit. The US$183M does not include the containerized STANFLEX systems, which are already in stock or funded through a separate budget.

http://www.amiinter.com/samples/denmark/DA6001.html

The Danish Iver Huitfeldt class, which costs as little as $333 million per ship (including sensors and weapons!)
http://www.navalreview.ca/wp-content/uploads/public/vol8num4/vol8num4art6.pdf+

The Danes claim Nils Juel and its sister ships were built for US $325 million apiece — an impressive accomplishment for a ship displacing more than 6,600 tons, fitted with a sophisticated combat and communications suite, armed with Standard, Evolved Sea Sparrow and Harpoon missiles, 76mm and 35mm guns, torpedoes and a helicopter, able to cut the waters at 30 knots and travel more than 9,000 nautical miles without refueling.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?159275-Iver-Huitfeldt-class-Frigate&p=7465389&viewfull=1#post7465389

he Navy should purchase any of the cheaper, more versatile, more survivable, LCS alternatives available on the world market:

Denmark’s Iver Huitfeldt class frigate is twice the size of the LCS, has twice the range, orders of magnitude more firepower, and at a price of $333 million before weapons and costs about $450 million less than an LCS.21 Crucially, it drafts only three feet deeper than the LCS.
http://www.ciponline.org/research/html/littoral-combat-ship

The Danish frigate displaces twice that which an LCS does (6,600 tons versus 3,300 tons), but costs only $332M per ship excluding weapons. Even if one assumes that the weapons will double the cost, the Huitfeldts’ pricetag remains about the same as the DOD estimate for the LCS.
http://warontherocks.com/2013/08/getting-our-moneys-worth-lcs-vs-iver-huitfeldt-class/

631 miljoen euro voor de drie schepen [€631 million for 3]
http://marineschepen.nl/schepen/iver-huitfeldt.html

Ok chaps can you help me out here how much of the ship do get for the money say 225 million

Depends on the threat level, I might be inclined to go the FFBNW route.

Yes, but at that price the ships are incomplete. All the Stanflex modules are paid for separately, not allocated to the budgets for specific ships, & IIRC some other equipment is also budgeted for separately.

In order to get a working ship, you’d need to spend a lot more.

Ok chaps can you help me out here how much of the ship do get for the money say 225 million

Yes, but at that price the ships are incomplete. All the Stanflex modules are paid for separately, not allocated to the budgets for specific ships, & IIRC some other equipment is also budgeted for separately.

In order to get a working ship, you’d need to spend a lot more.

You can’t get 4 Absalons for that price – two, at most.

these ship are reported as costing $225 to $260 million dollars so I am sorry 900 million to to 1.04 billion for 4 ship its the 4 engine Iver Huitfeldt-class ships that cost 335 million each 80% same hull different fit out

Just a different set of ships with some add on’s

4 Absalon class multi-role Frigates $900 million

You can’t get 4 Absalons for that price – two, at most.

Just a different set of ships with some add on’s
6 Oaxaca class 86m OPV’s $280 million fitted with Scanter 4100 radar

Love this suggestion – great ship.

Also love everyone else getting stuck in – sometimes its nice to play fantasy navy, especially with some constraints. Might do another one of these.

Cleaning up the logistics!

NAVY

*2x Karel Doorman Class – Joint Support Ship – Netherlands
*Price: $400 million each ($800 million)
*Weapons: Two OTO Marlin-WS 30mm cannons
Four OTO Hitrole 12.7mm heavy machie guns
Two 21-cell RAM launchers
*Aviation: Six EC-725 helicopters ($25 million each = $150 million)

*2x Karel Doorman Class – Frigate – Netherlands
*Price: $25 million each (50 million)
*Weapons: One OTO Super Rapid 76mm cannon
Two OTO Hitrole 12.7mm heavy machine guns
One 21-cell RAM launcher
One 16-cell ESSM vertical launch system
Two twin Otomat Mk.2 Block IV launchers
Two twin MU90/Impact 324mm torpedo launchers.
*Aviation: One EC-725 helicopter ($25 million each = $50 million) (Replacing Lynx HAS.3)
*Note: Replacing Type-21 Class

*2x SIGMA Class – Corvette – Netherlands
*Price: $250 million each (500 million)
*Weapons: One OTO Super Rapid 76mm cannon
One OTO Marlin-WS 30mm cannon
Two OTO Hitrole 12.7mm heavy machine guns
One 21-cell RAM launcher
Two twin MILAS launchers
Two twin MU90/Impact 324mm torpedo launchers
*Aviation: One EC-725 helicopter ($25 million each = $50 million) (Replacing Lynx HAS.3)
*Note: Replacing Type-21 Class

*2x Holland Class – Offshore Patrol Vessels – Netherlands
*Price: $175 million each (350 million)
*Weapons: One OTO Super Rapid 76mm cannon
One OTO Marlin-WS 30mm cannon
Two OTO Hitrole 12.7mm heavy machine guns
*Aviation: One EC-725 helicopter ($25 million each = $50 million) (Replacing Lynx HAS.3)
*Note: Replacing Castle Class

*4x Cape Class – Patrol Craft – Australia
*Price: $50 million each (200 million)
*Weapons: One OTO Marlin-WS 30mm cannon
Two OTO Hitrole 12.7mm heavy machine guns
*Note: Replacing Peacock Class

Total = $2.2 Billion Dollars

AIR FORCE

*2x E-2D Advanced Hawkeye – AEW&C – USA
*Price: $180 million each ($360 milllion)

*12x Textron Scorpion – Trainer / ISR – USA
*Price: $25 million each ($300 million)
*Note: Replacing Hawk Fleet

*24x FA-18 Hornet Fleet Upgrades – USA
*Price: $5 Million each ($120 million)

*4x P-3 Orion Fleet Upgrades – USA
*Price: $5 million each (20 million)

Total = $800 Million Dollars

First, I would contact the Netherlands and offer to buy 2 new Joint Support ships, 2 new SIGMA Class ships, and Two new Holland Class ships as long as they donate their two Karel Doorman Class Frigates for free. However, My country would be responsible for the price of the weapon upgrades. In this scenario the logistics will be smooth since all the ships (except for the 4x Cape Class) and all the electronics are coming from the Netherlands. All the cannons and heavy machine guns would be coming from OTO Melara (Italy). All the anti-ship missiles and torpedoes would be coming from MBDA (Italy). All the Helicopters would be coming from France. All the air defense systems and and all the aircraft in the Air Force are sourced from the USA. Finally, The new E-2D and Scorpion aircraft would give my country an excellent Intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance capability that is currently lacking.

Just a different set of ships with some add on’s

4 Absalon class multi-role Frigates $900 million
6 Oaxaca class 86m OPV’s $280 million fitted with Scanter 4100 radar
2 Makassar Landing platform dock $100 million up graded with Scanter 4100 radar, link16 and sat coms
Upgrade the 8 Lynx’s $ 120 million
Buy 6 Super Puma $ 120 million to help with movement of troops and kit from ship to shore
20 Scan Eagle systems $64 million for the marines a unit to be set up and able to operate this system land based or from all classes of ship

Total cost naval spending $1.59 billion

Pity it doesn’t exist. Would be a nice place to visit. Excellent tourist potential.

The current state of the Navy is this:

3 x Type 21 Frigates purchased in in 1993 from UK

Scrap two, leave one as (possibly immobile) training vessel.

4 x Peacock-class corvette built for Minitaya in 1982
2 x Castle Class Patrol vessels bought from UK in 1995

Scrap.

12 x Hawk T1
24 x F/A 18 were sold to Minitaya as part of the Air Base short term lease in 1990 from the US

How old are these? Hawk T1 (I assume in this context Hawk 50) hasn’t been produced for like 30 years, so they’re goners. If the Hornets are A/B, they’re going to need replacement soon-ish. C/D would be good to go for another 15 years.

4 x P-3 Orions arrived in 1998
3 x C-130 transports
1 x 737 Leased from national carrier as troop transport to help with recent deployment to Timor.
1 x 737 Presidential jet
8 x Puma Helicopters

No word on hours, but other than they seem good to go for bit longer.

With that kind of budget limits, and Minitaya being an island nation with broad economic interests, high-end warships seem out of the question, so do submarines. So I am concentrating on power projection and maintaining the number of hulls:
-1* Absalon type command ship á 500 million USD. 1*127mm, 1* Mk41 (8 cells) for ESSM, SMART-L air defence radar.
-2* Gepard 3 -series corvettes á 250 million. Similar to Vietnamese units, maybe sans Palma. SIGMA 9000 -variant is possibility too, but may be too expensive.
-2* Large OPV á 100 million. 3000 tons, 20 knots.
-4* Small OPV á 50 million. 500 tons.
-1* Antarctic research ship/icebreaker. $50 to 100 million. Can do double shift as a supply ship.

I’d like to include some mine countermeasures vessel, but can’t fit it to budget. Oh well. Maybe some of the OPV’s could have MCM modules. Some landing craft would be needed too but can’t bother getting into details.

For air force, I’m working under assumption that Hornets need replacement too:

-16* FA-50
-16* T-50: lets say these cost $1 billion all in all. They’ll replace both Hawks and Hornets. First-line fighters are too expensive to fit to this budget.
-3* EriEye AEW&C aircraft (maybe Embraers). $300 million.
-UAV’s and upgrades/service life extensions for existing assets: $200 million.