London Bomber suspect photo released

In all this has any one spared a thought for the families of these men,whether they were forced,brainwashed or duped into it ,there still is a child without a farther,wives without husbands and mothers without sons.Not to say what sort of life can any relative of a HOMEGROWN terrorist have left for them.Lets hope that these terrorists realise that by their actions they are hurting the things that mean the most to them their families.

Allen I guess if this was the case they would have appeared alot more agitated and uptight, put yourself in that position, how does one cope with knowing that in a couple of days you are to blow yourself up, then with 24hrs to go, and then knowing you wont see your loved ones again, I sure as hell know I couldn’t cope with something like that no matter how brave I was

OK, another theory… They were told to leave the bombs and flee in order for a remote detonation to be exacted by another party? The other party cynically detonating the explosives before the couriers were given a chance to escape?

At the end of the day we’ll never know why seemingly normal everyday Brits decided to become religious martyrs? That’s religious martyrdom for you…

Allen I guess if this was the case they would have appeared alot more agitated and uptight, put yourself in that position, how does one cope with knowing that in a couple of days you are to blow yourself up, then with 24hrs to go, and then knowing you wont see your loved ones again, I sure as hell know I couldn’t cope with something like that no matter how brave I was

Anyone considered the notion that perhaps they were forced to do it ?

Maybe they were told their families would be killed if they didn’t do it, maybe they were just “brainwashed” enough and blackmailed the rest? Maybe they were just stupid bloody idiots for indulging in the ‘fashionable new extreme sport’ that has become the war on western infidels?

Reminds me of a lot of similar idiots that were press ganged into the IRA and loyalist paramilitary groups in the 1970’s, believing they were butchering their neighbours as part of some justifiable and noble cause? 🙁

I think the point about that fact they these poeple are down to earth, 1 was a family man, a teacher etc is irrelevant, the bottom line is, no matter how well you think you know somebody, you don’t really know them at all, I say this to my wife alot, you just don’t know me, and visa versa, not really. One of my mates had a wife, 4 kids etc, he had been married 14 years, in this time she was leading a double life, she was a prostitute in a brothel in Bristol, he only found out by chance, she’d been doing it for years.
These guys who are “brainwashed” are exactly that, normal family men, high up people are going to be used in this country as they will blend in with the public and appear normal, these guys are told that they will be martyrs, they are off to see god and doing god’s work if they kill the “infidels” who are killing their own people, you can see how they are led to believe this but on the other hand you would think they are rational enough to know that what is in the Koran is the truth, same as Christians, if they are preached by a Jehova Witness they dismiss it as “utter tosh”, this is the part I cannot understand, how they are led to believe that killing is just and accepted.

Dean

But a Madarassah is just a religious school for Muslims, there is nothing wrong in it, its just that in some schools there are some people bent on fostering hate and the head of the school is either involved in hating himself or does not bother reporting this to the authorities.

In Pakistan madarassahs are the only way for the poor to get an education, the problem there is that these schools do not teach any science or economics.

Careful, Sameer…….. this is neither the time nor the place for Indo/Pak antagonism.

Thank you.

Grey Area
Moderator.

later added

errr? I simply commented on a BBC atticle that is published online?
You are absolutely right this is not about India or Pakistan and i never brought that issue up?
i paraphrased the following link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4683073.stm
Experts like Burhanuddin Hasan, former Director of Pakistan Television, stress that the overwhelming majority of Pakistan’s madrassas are moderate and provide education to students who otherwise would not have the opportunity.

“But since they are taught neither English nor Science, they risk becoming complete misfits in modern Pakistani society,” he argues.

Mr Grey Area, I do not think that i did anything illegal, I am also simply trying to understand why such people would do this and why mdrassahs may be a problem. It has nothig to do with me being an Indian and i would appreciate it if you would not assume as much the next time.

Thi is about the 54 dead.

I remember how Sikhs were targetted in the US simply because some dumb Americans thought that they were Taleban men.

There is even this story of this poor Indian pizza dlivery boy who was beaten and shoved in a truck, they told him to go back to Iraq. problem was that he was a vegetarian Hindu Indian guy.

Yes these things do happen sammer but the media also overexagerates them by leaps and bound and sometimes it is straight up bad journalism..for eg.- after the 2nd 911 aniversary a cabby (sikh) was shot dead in the yonkers..the media reported as a hate crime against an indian which it would seem to be..however what turned out to be was that the cabby actually owed 10 G’s to a bar owner who got him popped for not paying up..again it was a non-justifiable action however the reason was not of racism but of personnal vandetta…I am not saying that some dumb americans do make that mistake and infact some quite educated ones do aswell however as a percentage of these acts to the entire South asian populus they are still quite miniscule..There is an opinion in india and in many other countries that many hindus,sikhs (with or without a turban) are misunderstood for islamic extremists of middle eastern origin..and many of the americans who make such mistakes are made examples of US stupidity..however many and a large and overwhelming majority of south asians living in there respective countries cannot distinguish between say a person from austria and switzerland therefore lack of cultural knowledge does exist everywhere..

The 30 year old married man with a baby was a teacher,not any teacher but a teacher for the mentally challenged. So sad and unbelievable. How can anyone leave his family and work behind and kill dozens like that.
I think that the only way you can do that is if you think that the people you are bombing are not humans but less than that, they are so evil and pathetic that you should kill them, but then again why immigrate or live in their country?

Hitler used to say that he’d rather kill 1 million jews than let his dog die, I think that a similar logic applies in this case.

Something else that worries me is that the person that bombed Aldgate was supposedly a very religious guy, which leads me to wonder what the hell he was taught. 😡
The world is in a terrible state, and it will only get worse.

I think it’s self evidant what he was tought. What’s important is where?
Are there madrasse’s in England? And if so then how many more ticking
bombs are there and where are they now? The bombers are only a small part
of the network that get to do the “easiest part”. From those that picked the
targets to those that essembeled the bombs and the entire logistic team, In my estimate the network consiste of 2-4 dozen men.

SAMEER sorry if you took offence,but the fact remains these people come from the Asian community living among mixed Asians who chose to live together,blending in, but they need help, in turn they will arouse suspicion this is when they will be caught.

There is no hard and fast solution to this type of terrorism,except the ball lays in the Asian community’s court,by this i mean they know their religion better than us they know the extremists in their religion better than us,they want a quiet peaceful life just like us.As for recent events i hope the racial attacks stop and people realise that that is what the terrorists want,thus recruiting more aggrieved and disillusioned young Innocent men to lay their lives down and so the cycle starts.

Sorry but what do you mean by Asian community?

There is only one community of a certain descent involved from Asia.

One has to wonder what type of arguments these people use to brainwash those they will eventually send to their deaths. You would have to think that they would prey on those who are loners, weak minded and people who have a reason to exact revenge against the west! How can they suddenly stop making the difference between what is right and wrong? I have a hard time trying to understand this!

There is no hard and fast solution to this type of terrorism,except the ball lays in the Asian community’s court,by this i mean they know their religion better than us they know the extremists in their religion better than us,they want a quiet peaceful life just like us.As for recent events i hope the racial attacks stop and people realise that that is what the terrorists want,thus recruiting more aggrieved and disillusioned young Innocent men to lay their lives down and so the cycle starts.

What makes me sick is that these guys live among us showing that they are ‘average joe’ but with a dark secret.

Also we have to share some blame because we (civilised) created afghan ann vietnam wars just to make a political statement.. 😡 The offshoot of these two wars are they ones we are dealing with today..

What makes me angry is that west only started to call these people ‘terrorists’ only after 9/11. Before that these people were killing innocent people in chechnya, afghanistan, kashmir and they are called ‘freedom fighters’…. 😡

How come somebody who is born in western country and civilized values can do such thing.. Is religion makes them do it… I dont think so.. it is more than religion.

Why a person who doesnt bother relgion most of his life suddenly become religious… Something is going on..

If they believe if their religion why can’t they be happy with that. If they don’t like western ideas, live somewhere else. There are millions of people, all with different ideas, religions and they all manage to live closely in the U.K.

Is the biggest sin not believing in God and the second biggest killing? Could it be that they think they can kill due to folk not worshipping their God, thus helping the cause?

dme

I think that the problem is that many of those guys think that the west is against them and is bombing them in Iraq and propping up Arab dictatorships and is very pro Israel etc etc etc but I agree with you, if you wish to live in a Taleban style country why not go back to your country, clearly if this way of life is so good, why bother leaving in the first place.

If they believe if their religion why can’t they be happy with that. If they don’t like western ideas, live somewhere else. There are millions of people, all with different ideas, religions and they all manage to live closely in the U.K.

Is the biggest sin not believing in God and the second biggest killing? Could it be that they think they can kill due to folk not worshipping their God, thus helping the cause?

dme

It is not a question of where you get brainwashed but still I can understand some 20 year old loser but not a man who is married, has a job and a child, did he not think of the kid before blowing himself up? Do you realize how screwed up the life of this poor kid will be knowing that his dad was a terrorist and chose terrorism over himself?

Man they should ban religion, it does nothing but bad things. I cant imagine how many Muslims or anyone who looks like he is from the Mid East or South Asia will now be stigmatized in London.

I remember how Sikhs were targetted in the US simply because some dumb Americans thought that they were Taleban men.

There is even this story of this poor Indian pizza dlivery boy who was beaten and shoved in a truck, they told him to go back to Iraq. problem was that he was a vegetarian Hindu Indian guy.

From the BBC link

Mohammad Sidique Khan: Aged 30, from Beeston, Leeds, recently moved to Dewsbury, married with baby. ID found at Edgware Road blast site.
Hasib Mir Hussain(confirmed): Aged 18, lived Holbeck, Leeds. Reported missing on day of bombings. Said to have turned very religious two years ago. ID found in No 30 bus.
Shehzad Tanweer(confirmed): Aged 22, born Bradford, lived Beeston, Leeds. Studied religion in Pakistan. Forensic evidence linking him to Aldgate blast.
Lindsey Germaine: Jamaican-born man who lived in Buckinghamshire.

Its really sad but the only person I just dont get in all of this is the first one, HE HAS A BABY AND EVERYTHING, he left them behind, what kind of madarassah would do that to you?

Most madarassahs in pakistan teach radical stuff… again these guys are just foot soldiers..

From the BBC link

Mohammad Sidique Khan: Aged 30, from Beeston, Leeds, recently moved to Dewsbury, married with baby. ID found at Edgware Road blast site.
Hasib Mir Hussain(confirmed): Aged 18, lived Holbeck, Leeds. Reported missing on day of bombings. Said to have turned very religious two years ago. ID found in No 30 bus.
Shehzad Tanweer(confirmed): Aged 22, born Bradford, lived Beeston, Leeds. Studied religion in Pakistan. Forensic evidence linking him to Aldgate blast.
Lindsey Germaine: Jamaican-born man who lived in Buckinghamshire.

Its really sad but the only person I just dont get in all of this is the first one, HE HAS A BABY AND EVERYTHING, he left them behind, what kind of madarassah would do that to you?