Long Marston collection Don't do this!!!

Hope this works

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=20781&highlight=Shackleton&page=3

I think these UE are putting themselves at great risk of injury. They make an assumption that they only face a hazard from the condition of the property, ie loose floor panels, asbestos etc.

But it is well known that criminals will hide items in semi abandoned places and also will use extreme violence to deal with intruders,you only have to watch one episode of Mc Intyre talking to members of the underworld to realise that these people have no concern about sorting out intruders.

Also the UE crowd assume that owners will be calm and just escort them off the property. Well some have used shotguns and made it clear they have booby trapped locations.

I think they would be better off taking up caving, climbing,surfing etc..

Given the sort of places they poke around in, Bruce, they might be the ideal people to keep an eye open for it…

Adrian

You know, I’ve given this some thought. We are all getting hot under the collar regarding a few guys looking over some aircraft that have, to all intent and purpose been abandoned. None of the aircraft at Long Marston are particularly important or significant in the scheme of things, and indeed if the present owner hadn’t saved them, a number would have been broken up years ago.

We cant preserve everything, and although I would like to see a more secure future for one or two of the aircraft, I am not going to lose too much sleep if some of them are ultimately lost.

Now, from looking at that site, a large number of people have visited the site, and little damage has been done. It does look as if in the majority of cases, they are sticking to their principles.

I have to confess, I have enjoyed looking at many of the reports on that site – its not my bag, but it shows some really quite interesting stuff, and they are at least recording the decline (amongst other things) of our manufacturing industry, and our armed forces.

I dunno, I guess there is a fine line here – some certainly cross it, like the wally who broke into Concorde at Brooklands, but in most cases, it doesnt seem to be an issue.

Of course, if it was one of these guys who nicked our propeller, then I may have a bit more to say!

Bruce

Common Ground?

This is a difficult one…it certainly seems to have aroused passions on both sides of the fence (excuse the pun).

On the one hand the UE site is interesting and the ‘spirit’ of the site seems to be in the right place. Posters on the site seem to be concerned about the fate of (in this case) aircraft and have a ‘code’ that states that there should be no ‘breaking-and-entering’, no theft and no vandalism.

On the other hand some ‘explores’ clearly visit sites that are open to the (paying) public such as Brooklands where the Concorde was ‘visited’. However it was visited at night and the Concorde was described as ‘abandoned’ when clearly it wasn’t and those that visited it gave details of the security arrangements.

If these people really care about the preservation of these aircraft perhaps they should, in the case of Brooklands, visit during the day when their entry fee would help the dedicated volunteers preserve the aircraft they claim they care so much about.

The other problem is that the UE site is open to anybody and can lead to sites being visited by those who are intent on nothing but breaking-and-entering, theft and vandalism!

Some on this thread have admitted that they have taken part in this sort of exploration. I have done it myself when I ‘strayed’ from the footpath through RAF Predannack but I’ve only ever got into a museum site by paying.

There is an archived Concorde ‘visit’ linked below. The comments of their ‘senior member’ are interesting.

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=2713

So far attempts to talk to these people have resulted in Peter being banned from their website. I don’t know what Peter posted but I suspect the worst he did was to disagree with their point of view.

I wonder if anybody from the UE site is reading this thread. If you are why don’t you become a member of this forum and post your views here. If you abide by our forum rules you will not get banned (or will they moderators?) and we may all find that there is some common ground.

You can even post in the middle of the night when nobody is watching. 😀

Easy fix..

A couple of big mean Rotties…:dev2:

I saw Stuart Holder the other day – he does have plans to do something with the aeroplanes long term, but doesnt have the time, energy or inclination at present.

I will however make sure he is aware of this, so he can set some booby traps…!

Bruce

true LL

You are right with that comment.. sent you a pm;)

Do urban explorers really need to break into / gain access to sites like Long Marsden for OUR benefit? Surely to judge the plight of aircraft in such collections, it is much easier for someone who really cares about the aircraft to give the owners a ring and arrange a viewing?

IMHO entering restricted or private property is ILLEGAL at all times, no matter what the outcome.

Anyone connected with aircraft restoration/preservation can quite easily find out the state of ANY ‘preserved’ aircraft in the UK, either by contacting the owners directly, or by using organisations such as the BAPC, or by paying an entrance fee and looking themselves.

I have no sympathy with ‘urban explorers’, or as I like to call them, ‘tresspassers’… and they all should go explore Spadeadam ranges during the week…..:D

Moderators

At least the Mods on here myself included try our best to send an explanation to someone when they are banned. that is unless they are spammers or something…

GUILTY is the verdict for anyone getting into the shack thats there!

Oh, the powers of the Moderators!:D

Well I upset the apple cart…!

I joined that forum a couple of days ago and posted away on different topics especially binbrook and Long marston. I posted my views on the fact that entering the aircraft is trespassing and someone took offence to that last night and now ime banned with no reason given and cant even email the webmaster of that site to find out:eek: … GUILTY is the verdict for anyone getting into the shack thats there!

Strangly enough on Wadnesday, the morning after I posted that, I went to Donna nook lol was a complete coincidence as we had business in north Somercotes so we carried on up the road after 😀 really horrible weather though so I didn’t go for any long walks or anything, just had a quick luck over the dunes, nothing was flying when we were there, although the light and flag were on and flying. But it does deffinatly say keep off the area with the markers at all times, didn’t have my camera otherwise I’d have taken some pics.

I think I am the only one who can honestly say, other than that apart from that one time which really wasn’t all that interesting, I have never ever snuck into anywhere, for a start I don’t know where there are any old planes round me lol 😀

I haven’t read all of this thread due to time etc, but Im not against these guys.
They have raised the plight of these derelict aircraft (and many other interesting places). The fact that these planes have been left to get into this state worries me far more than the trespassing.

Also, surely Im not the only one here, that in their younger (or more recent) years has ‘sneaked’ on to a site and taken some pics and a quick peek at that ellusive aircraft. I bet many of the historical aircraft pictures we have now probably wouldnt of been taken without some sort of trepass.

The members of that site also promise not to damage or remove anything. Im not naive, and some of them probably dont abide by their own club rules, but I also know aviation enthusiasts that have done the same.

Trespassing on Donna Nook is stupid.

I like looking at the UE sites too. Some idiot had been on RAF Sculthorpe recently. They seemed to be aware of some of it’s uses and had taken photos of discarded live ammo cases. They should not have been in there and I’m surprised they weren’t carted off by MPs.

Perhaps we can persuade some of the more naive urban explorers to go onto the range when the red flag is up – the more the better! Then it might protect things like the Long Marston collection from the ned element…:dev2:

:p haha that too 😉 😀

What I was most desturbed by was this
http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=16201
😮 Now I know Donna nook a little (we’ve been going for years to see the seals so as long as you stick to the path it’s fine) and it’s pretty clear from the signage all along the dunes that the range is out of bounds, now I don’t know all the rules and what not reguarding MOD land but surley it doesn’t matter if the “red flag is flying” or not, surly its just down right dangerous to walk over a range:eek: or is that me being nieve?:D

No, you are just being naive!😉

When I was ten my friends and I got a telling off from a farmer when we went looking at what was left of the old RAF Fiskerton (which isn’t much) but it put the fear of god into me and I’ve never done anything like it since. So on one hand I can deffinatly not condone the tresspassing aspect, as far as I’m concerened if something says keep out then you keep out. Unless you get permission.
But I’m very guilty of looking at various UE websites, however I have seen on those that they despise any form of breaking and entering and vandalism and steeling. It seems the greater threat are from people looking for somewhere to drink/do drugs and/or bored teenagers, deffinatly not wanting to generalise though as I was a very well behaved teenager myself 😀
But for the most part UE’s are well behaved, but it only takes one to ruin for everyone else.

What I was most desturbed by was this
http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=16201
😮 Now I know Donna nook a little (we’ve been going for years to see the seals so as long as you stick to the path it’s fine) and it’s pretty clear from the signage all along the dunes that the range is out of bounds, now I don’t know all the rules and what not reguarding MOD land but surley it doesn’t matter if the “red flag is flying” or not, surly its just down right dangerous to walk over a range:eek: or is that me being nieve?:D

their at it again!

WHy can’t they understand that taking pics outside is fine but inside is BREAKING and ENTERING!!!!!!:eek: 😮