Looking for TSR.2 topside photos

Zeb, sorry for the slow reply. The reply notification for this forum doesn’t work very well, I have the impression…
Anyway, I am working in 3DSMax.

Here’s a recent update, btw:

I’ve just about finished my TSR2 book – so I guess it’ll be published in a couple of months or so. Can you imagine how utterly bored I am by TSR2’s now?! 😀

Blasphemy. Chox, we need to talk.

Thanks Mercurius!

At last, the TSR2 art is finished and online. Please have a look here: http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=105691

PS. Prints are available on my webshop (link in my signature).

The EW antennas on the TSR.2 were in three locations – the rear edge of the downward-canted part of one wingtip (which provided rear-sector coverage) and two locations on either side of the front fuselage just below and forward of the pilot’s canopy to provide coverage of the port and starboard forward sectors.

Each location contained three antennas – one for J-band, another for X-band, and a third for C-band.

On the wingtip, these took the form of three rear-facing open-ended rectangular waveguides. (You will have to excuse an old man’s memory, but I cannot remember which wingtip these antennas were located on.)

On the forward fuselage, C and X-band coverage was provided by two scimitar-type blade antennas while J-band was handled by a rectangular waveguide whose axis was angled about 30 degrees away from the aircraft’s centreline, with one of the long sides of the aperture positioned at skin level. The J-band unit was located ahead of the X-band unit, with the C-band unit at the rear.

The signals from all of these antennas was combined to provide all-round coverage and provided an input to the aircraft’s radar-warning receivers. To the best of my knowledge, there was no planned active EW system.

It hasn’t got a fixed title as yet. I would imagine it will be fixed in the next couple of weeks or so but fixing the cover has taken a while because we had different thoughts on precisely what the title should be. Ian Allan is a major publisher of course, so they tend to do things at a steady but careful pace, and the book isn’t due out for some time yet so there’s no real need to worry about such matters as yet. As long as it has a title by the time it’s printed, I guess that’s all that matters!

What is the title of the forthcoming Ian Allen TSR 2 book? Only I couldn’t find it on Amazon oAllen’s own website.r Ian

Very glad you like it! It’s been a lot of hard work.

James, I’ll post the text-less version here soon. Just in the middle of moving home right now 🙂
I definitely have plans to do some what-ifs and really would like to do one in a similar style to Richard Cooke’s legendary Harrier photos, perhaps replacing the unguided rockets with Blue Water missiles… 😉

Missileer (cool aircraft project by the way), thanks for your offer for help but I am pretty much sorted when it comes to TSR2 references.

Can anyone assist with top-side shots of the TSR.2 please? Special areas of interest are the vents at the end of the nose section, the aerials on top of the wing tips and the various smaller vents and details on the rear fuselage.

I had a discussion with Mercurius Cantabrigiensis some time ago on the TSR.2 EW system, so he can probably help with the relevant antennas. They were on the trailing edge of one wingtop and on either side of the forward fuselage. I’m due to have dinner with him one night during Eurosatory next week, so will see if he is willing to post a message here or to send you a PM.

As Bruce rightly says, arrangements between authors and publishers do vary quite considerably. Unless the situation has changed since I last had any dealings with Crowood, they work on a pretty standard publishing basis which gives the author an advance fee, and then further royalties are paid depending on how many books or sold. In practise (particularly with aviation books and smaller publishers like Crowood) the royalties will never be greater than the advance paid, so in effect you simply get paid once and that’s it.

My arrangement with Ian Allan is slightly different in that I get paid once for the book on completion, regardless of how many copies are sold. It’s my choice but these days I prefer to work that way as relying on a trickle of advances coming-in over a number of years is tedious and unrewarding. I’d rather complete a book, move on and forget about it. Of course this kind of arrangement runs a very real risk in that the book could sell like proverbial hot cakes but I wouldn’t make so much as one more penny. This happened to me once before with a book I did – it sold far in excess of the predicted figure but I didn’t get paid any more. That’s the gamble you take!

So I never have any burning desire to promote my books as I have no financial motive for doing so. I’m always happy to discuss them or bring them to people’s attention (in case they’re of interest) but it’s funny how lots of people often assume that I have some evil money-driven motive to “sell” my books to people. Actually I don’t, as it’s of no interest to me if a book sells or not. My only concern is my reputation as a writer and the need to satisfy myself that what I write is as good as it can be.

PS – I would supply you with a cover illustration from my book if I could, but I haven’t seen it yet! It seems that a large poster of the cover was on display at the Book Fair some weeks back, but so far nothing has emerged for on-line promotion I’m afraid. The illustration is of XR219 as seen during flight trials. We took a conscious decision not to get involved with any speculative colour schemes either for the cover or inside the book, as we wanted the book to concentrate on factual information rather than the usual speculative stuff which has been published many times before.

It’s very odd that Crowood have decided to publish a book on the same subject at precisely the same time as Ian Allan (although I do know why) but from what I can determine, it looks as if both books will be markedly different from each other, so readers will have the luxury of buying the book that suits their interests.

Well said BSG, and don’t forget neither actually make anything more from this due to sales or being mentioned on forums etc.
This is where the line can be a bit blurred, it the publisher came on here and sais such and such a book is now out, that would be different.

Actually, that rather depends on your arrangement with the publisher. Some contracts are based directly on sales; some are not.

Some forums actively allow advertising. As Key rely to some extent on income from advertising, they prefer to keep it off their forums.

Bruce

Ronnie that is a lovely piece of work. Well done! 🙂

Well said BSG, and don’t forget neither actually make anything more from this due to sales or being mentioned on forums etc.
This is where the line can be a bit blurred, it the publisher came on here and sais such and such a book is now out, that would be different.

Back to some rules on advertising again – its a fine line, and is often difficult to police…

Just as a general personal comment, as a forum member who learns far far more from others than I contribute, I think its great when we see fellow forumites “in print” and I wish Chox and Skyraider3D every success with this and future works. 😀

Ronnie, are you abke to show us your fantastic TSR.2 drawing as you did it, ie without the writing etc?
Did you do anymore for book at all?
I would love to see you render post-war aircraft and some of the projects that didn’t come off the paper, it’s about time they were illustrated in your fantastic style. Keep up the good work!

No problem Bruce… I’ll try attaching instead, if that’s OK 🙂

Gents:

Back to some rules on advertising again – its a fine line, and is often difficult to police…

If you link to items you are selling, or have worked on, its advertising. If someone else refers to it without your knowledge, then it isnt. In general, most of the postings here have been fine, and as both books have been referred to, I see no issues.

Ronnie; Damiens site doesnt allow hotlinking, so all you got was a big advert for him, which I have removed. Sorry!

Bruce

Tim, how would alerting your potential buyers of a saving be a snipe?

Perhaps I placed too much emphasis on the “rolling eyes” at the end of your comment? I’ve become somewhat accustomed to gratuitous sarcasm and probably see it where it isn’t even intended these days!:p

Incidentally, they’re not “my” potential buyers. My work on that project is done so it’s down to the publisher to worry about selling what is now their product! I’ve already moved on to the next project and much as I enjoyed investigating TSR2’s story, it’s nice not to have to think about it any longer! Although the story of TSR2 is very long and quite fascinating, it’s quite a task to weed-out all the nonsense which has been written about this project. But enough is enough. Now I just want to return to my dark fantasies of a big colour book on the Varsity… the stuff of dreams!

Thanks guys, you picked this up quicker than I did! 😀

Yep after tons of hard work both by the author and myself this is finally off to print. I can’t wait to see it all in print myself as this should be quite something else.

Glad you like the front cover! I couldn’t have done it without the tons of fantastic references Damien sent me, lots of it unpublished stuff that was quite amazing to see. And likewise I couldn’t have done it without the help of a number of forum members here. So thanks once more for your help!

Thanks for following this thread so far. This is by no means the end of it, as I already have plans for further TSR2 art. In fact I’ve become quite fascinated by Cold War jets in general, thanks to this book cover project, so my future output will be more varied (but undoubtedly just as slow :D).

September, thanks Robbo!

Just to clarify your confusion Robbo, my book is being published by Ian Allan and as a mainstream publisher they always discount new books. It’s standard practise for commercial publishers. 😉

I will be buying both books. Is there a link for the Ian Allan published item?I have looked at the Ian Allan web page without success