Lost WW2 Canadian Aircraft Wreckage Found

Thanks for the link. I’ll be up there next spring/summer having a look. I’ll take my camera to get some recent shots.

hi
ventura link
http://cameronsoftware.com/blog/blog/2011/09/10/mt-bolduc-plane-crash-thwarted/

I had a link to an ‘Offroad Motorcycle Site’ that did a search for a B-25 that went down in behind Shawnigan Lake. I can’t find it anymore – too bad because it had the directions to it with GPS coordinates. Does anybody here remember if the original post was on this site?

Hi
links that maybe of interest
pat bay
http://www.canada.com/mobile/iphone/story.html?id=2814e474-1aeb-48ca-99…

other bc crashes
http://www.canada.com/mobile/iphone/story.html?id=c1c49650-dd99-4634-8031-055d1484b343

seems to be a good starting point for research, but i think it doesnt list them all
cheers
Jerry

Alan Clark

Indeed.

Mention of lots more wrecks in BC here:

http://www.clubtread.com/sforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=28643&whichpage=1

DD

Any more websites detailing crashes here on Vancouver Island? I’ve been to the one by Tofino Airport – the Canso. I heard of a P-40 that was buzzing Tofino during the war and crashed into Meares Island, across the inlet from the town. I friend of mine has a Norden Bombsight that he took out a wreck at the head of Bedwell Inlet. The B-24 that is south of Bamfield comes to mind. A B-25 on Mayne Island was mentioned to me once. Any more?

Hi Alan,
My apologies I thought you missed the post.
Yes hopefully there is a clue to the identity and they are no longer missing.
cheers
Jerry

Jerry, I did, I was more referring to the way the thread wandered a long way from its starting point. The reference to may or may not is that the identity has not been officially confirmed, yes L7056 does appear to be the most likely candidate at the moment, but until it is confirmed it remains just the most likely. A crew list for that aircraft has been given over on RAF Commands, 3 RAFVR and 1 RCAF. If it is a missing aircraft and anything can be found of the crew and identified, bearing in mind the local wildlife will have distributed remains at the time, plus 70 years outside, then hopefully four names can come off the Ottawa Memorial.

One of the aircraft mentioned in that forum thread is one that I tried to visit once, but without suitable footwear it wasn’t sensible to carry on into the mud.

Alan Clark

Indeed.

Mention of lots more wrecks in BC here:

http://www.clubtread.com/sforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=28643&whichpage=1

DD

And here was me thinking this thread was about the discovery of a crash site on Vancouver Island which may or may not be identified and not about the effectiveness of the Anson at sinking submarines.

HI
read my post 7
it is a most likely candidate……… in the area and on the date mentioned in post 1 link, and suitable circumstances ….
cheers
Jerry

And here was me thinking this thread was about the discovery of a crash site on Vancouver Island which may or may not be identified and not about the effectiveness of the Anson at sinking submarines.

A single hit from a Hedgehog was generally sufficient to sink a u boat and that was only 65lbs.
A couple of hundred pounds placed in the right spot would have no problem especially with the effect of water pressure
assisting you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedgehog_%28weapon%29

I wouldn’t care to lay claim to “most”, but a great many submarines were sunk by aircraft, not least in the Bay of Biscay where they had to abandon daylight surface passage and suffered considerable losses even at night. The schnorkel wasn’t mainly adopted to save submarines from surface vessels. Although the main role of escort aircraft was indeed to keep the submarines down, this was less to enable attacks from surface vessels than to prevent them even seeing the convoy and successfully stalking it.

Yet, as noted above, an Anson with its puny bombload managed to sink a submarine.

Actually, the link above says it did NOT sink the submarine in question (U35, see footnote). It was only lightly damaged in the attack, and the claim it had sunk was a bit optimistic. U35 lived to sail another day until it was sunk by RN ships later in the year.

Hi
outer submarine hulls are thin, ( in boat building terms )
it is the second ‘ pressure hull ‘ that is thick and does all the work.
the outer hull will buckle and distort in service.
the outer hull looks thicker in post ww2 submarines due to the ’tiles’ fitted.
but even a single well placed ww2 a/s bomb had to be very lucky to actually damage a sub,but like everthing it is what system you hit, the right one and ….
cheers
Jerry

Really? All submarines have to be strong to withstand the pressure of the water and the Anson’s puny bombload would just bounce off, assuming of course that they actually managed to hit. Most submarines in WW2 were sunk by surface vessels or by other submarines. The role of aircraft in escorting convoys was essentially to drive the submarines underwater where the surface escorts could attack with their much more effective armament of depth charges. Although aircraft did carry depth charges the surface escorts could carry a lot more and could spend the time and resources to hunt the submarines down.

Regards

Yet, as noted above, an Anson with its puny bombload managed to sink a submarine. I am not suggesting for a moment that the Anson was a good anti-submarine aircraft, merely that it was capable of sinking a submarine.

A 20mm shell could pierce a U-Boat’s hull. Doesn’t seem particularly strong to me.

Submarines have pretty thin hulls so why ever not? …

Really? All submarines have to be strong to withstand the pressure of the water and the Anson’s puny bombload would just bounce off, assuming of course that they actually managed to hit. Most submarines in WW2 were sunk by surface vessels or by other submarines. The role of aircraft in escorting convoys was essentially to drive the submarines underwater where the surface escorts could attack with their much more effective armament of depth charges. Although aircraft did carry depth charges the surface escorts could carry a lot more and could spend the time and resources to hunt the submarines down.

Regards

Hi
possible candidate ?
L7056

http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=144917
cheers
jerry

A fellow glider pilot Graham Melville (now deceased, RIP) told the story of his WW2 pilot training in Canada, when an Anson made a forced or precautionary landing followed by local newspaper headlines referring to the ‘Mighty Anson Bomber’.

Forgive another “OT” anecdote, but one I think you’ll enjoy; Graham was the most modest of men but had a fantastic number of hours and entries in his Coastal Command logbook, one of which he proudly displayed made in bold red ink by his CO, he having overshot the runway on landing a Flying Fortress at Bluie West One: “Gross error of judgement”. Me: “That would have been a fairly fast over-shoot then Graham?” Graham: “Fast? I’ll say – we fairly pi**ed off the end of the runway!”

One of the most delightful gents I have ever met. God Bless him.

Submarines have pretty thin hulls so why ever not? A U-Boat was sunk by a Walrus during the Norwegian Campaign so I’m sure that an Anson could have done the same.

There was the attack on a U-Boot by Anson on September 13, 1939 (only very light damage). A week earlier an Anson had apparently attacked HMS Seahorse in error (resulting in very light damage and the Anson taking itself out with one of its own bombs’ shrapnel). In an accidental attack an Anson managed to break four light bulbs aboard HMS Snapper later in the year. It would seem the Anson was not the weapon of choice against a sub.

Who thought that 360lbs of bombs would be enough to sink a submarine.
And did any Anson ever sink a submarine apart from in a film or in a Nevil Shute novel?

Ignore Hudson in the link and page down to first U-boat to be sunk by an aircraft.

http://www.aircrashsites-scotland.co.uk/hudson_wick02.htm