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Originally posted by Moondance
SYY is plenty long enough (well, longer than LBA and the like) – 2200m, slightly displaced threshold on 18.

what are we talking about here – Runway Length or LDA?

LBA – 2250
SYY – 2200

Stornway had an Asterus 733 charter to Faro a couple of months back.

SYY is plenty long enough (well, longer than LBA and the like) – 2200m, slightly displaced threshold on 18.

It all sounds a bit pie in the sky to be honest. The runway is quite short, I’m not sure exactly how short it is though ? Last time I was there, the biggest plane to be seen was an ATP.

Mibbe HIAL want to extend the runway a bit but I seem to recall the bay being right at one end or both ?

Stornoway eh? The locals won’t be too happy about jet’s coming in. I remember they protested about props coming in on a Sunday, although I suppose it is lightly different.
Is the runway up there long enough to take 737’s? it seems quite small to me.
What do you think about it Ren, viable?

They are currently evaluating the A319/A320 or 737-700/800, which makes sense to compete with the likes of Easyjet and Ryanair. I don’t think you will see an order for a while but it is obvious that the 146 would be too small for future plans.

Sure dont flybe want to replace the BAe146’s with the new Airbus A320/19 or Boeing 737 (max is a -800 for flybe options due to EGAC runway length etc).

Thats wht i heard from an airport source anyway!

Hi,

The BAe 146 proved for them to be a huge dilemma as they kept breaking down.

The 146’s came from PSA (Pacific Southwest Airlines) in America and in worse condition then Debonair expected. I think that was mainly the reason that they had so many “tech” problems with the BAe 146 fleet.

Nationwide Air

Debonair’s demise was partly due to the BAe 146, it was not attributed really with the 737 or BAC 1-11, which I believe were AB Airlines aircraft (Debonair’s alliance partner). The BAe 146 proved for them to be a huge dilemma as they kept breaking down. Debonair could not afford 737s due to a capital shortage and so the 146 were the only viable option. However, the aircraft was unreliable and in a bad condition and so unfortunately they broke down in the summer. Therefore, they lost revenue in the busy period and then wasted money on fixing the aircraft. A definite mistake.

So it wasn’t the 737 or BAC 1-11 that saw the demise of Debonair, they were naturally taken down with the airline. The 737s were more of a problem for AB Airlines.

With Flybe. I always questioned why they used the BAe 146 for low cost operations? The two just don’t mix. Now I think the aircraft are up for retirement with Airbus, Boeing or Embraer aircraft up as choices.

Hi,

Also, a Glasgow woman has been given a life ban from TCX for using her mobile phone onboard despite repeated requests not to. She apparently hid under a blanket at one stage to try and continue usage before having the phone confiscated, The airline assured the lady she wouldn’t be returning from her holiday on one of it’s aircraft.

Good on TCX, did she not watch the safety briefing!

Thanks

Thomas Cook

Hi,

The 146 didn’t work out for Debonair.

Niether did the BAC 1-11:

Thanks

Thomas Cook

P.S: First buzz, now Air Berlin, I take it the Bae146 isn’t very good for low cost airlines. I wonder how flybe are getting on with their “whisper jets”?

The 146’s weren’t designed for 20 minute ryanair style quick turnarounds. They were designed to be very durable, and to be able to fly into small, rural airports. Just a look at the plane tells you this, high engines (so as not to suck in loose material from rural runways), low cargo hold door (so you don’t need a belt loader) and on-board steps (so you don’t have to rely on airport facilities.)

Also…

Ryanair propose to fly into Stornoway from London, Dublin and Scandinavia, if Highlands & Islands Airports put £5 million of terminal improvements in place. They cite the Outer Hebrides as an undiscovered jewel for tourism and as usual want someone else to pay for the facilties.

Germania will scale down their new Prestwick service from 5 days a week to 2 despite winning Scottish Executive route funding which demands a minimum of 5 days a week service. Glasgow Airport is watching developments with interest.

Also, a Glasgow woman has been given a life ban from TCX for using her mobile phone onboard despite repeated requests not to. She apparently hid under a blanket at one stage to try and continue usage before having the phone confiscated, The airline assured the lady she wouldn’t be returning from her holiday on one of it’s aircraft.

Hi,

The 146 didn’t work out for Debonair.

The 737 didn’t too!

Nationwide Air

Hi,

P.S: First buzz, now Air Berlin, I take it the Bae146 isn’t very good for low cost airlines. I wonder how flybe are getting on with their “whisper jets”?

The 146 didn’t work out for Debonair or Air Jet either!

Thanks

Thomas Cook

Are they calling it Moscow (Tampere)? 😉

Mike

The likelihood is that those routes will be suspended for the winter along with other reductions in frequency though those three new destinations are being launched as well as rumours of flights from Prestwick.

possably as this route has had the poorest loads so far, but for winter ski runs??

Originally posted by EGNM
LBARULES – Milan Bergamo is still running over the winter i think??

I thought they were stopping Bergamo and Nice over the winter?

Polar Impact

I’ve got to agree with your philosophy of booking the cheapest available on a route. Indeed, this way, Wingflaps2 and myself have seen around 15 cities in Europe this year by doing just that and taking advantage of any special seat sales on the go – regardless of carrier. Makes the travelling abroad a bit more fun knowing that the train to London costs more.

I hope you get to experience Monarch Scheduled one day and see us for yourself.

All the best,
Duesseldwarf