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Luftwaffe Bomber Tailwheel History and ID?

Hi chaps, the Germans were impeccable with their numbering, however, my latest acquisition is a bit of a mystery.

The label suggests it was from a He111, and was salvaged from a beach/crash on a North Norfolk beach (I know a Ju88 mainwheel was found 20-30 years ago).

It is too big for a He111 tailwheel I think (as my He111 tailwheel is much smaller).

Anyhoo details are:-

tyre by Continental and size 560 x 200

On hub:
R8-3520-16
2465 log )crown with 2 crossed hammers) 3115.4

any ideas on the aircraft type and history appreciated!!

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By: Rocketeer - 30th November 2010 at 21:52

For info, I have:
Me109E
Me110
He111
Ju88
Hs129
Me109F mainwheel, rest tails!

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By: Rocketeer - 26th November 2010 at 21:55

many thanx Richard

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By: Richard gray - 26th November 2010 at 18:30

Rocketeer. Don’t know if this is helpful, but your wheel could be off, the last one in this list.

Ju88s crashed in sea off Norfolk coast.

30th July 1940 Ju88 2(F) /122 30mls of Happisburgh.
10th March 1941 Ju88A-5 (8180) of 1/KG30 ditched off shore at Sparrow Gap Weybourne. Aircraft Captured.
22/23rd March 1941 JU88 of 7/KG6 in sea off Norfolk/Suffolk coast.
26th May 1941 Ju88A-4 (0738) of 1/KG 506 crashed into sea off Norfolk coast.
14th June 1941 Ju88C-4 from 4/NJG2 Crashed on the mud flats 2 miles out from the sea bank at Wingland marsh Kings Lynn.
15th Sept 1941 Ju88A-5 (5247) from 2/KG 606 crashed into sea off Happisburgh.
26th Dec 1941 Ju88 (1442) 3/KG 506 crashed into sea off Winterton.
4th March 1942 Ju88A-4 (1384) from Erpro/KG30 crashed off Mundesley.
30th July 1942 Ju88A-4 (3810) from 9/KG26 into sea 1 mile off Hemsby.
19th Oct 1942 Ju88D-1 (1342) from 3/(F)/33 into the sea 20mls of Cromer.

From, Norfolk in the second world war by Neil R Storey.

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By: bookman - 20th November 2010 at 11:35

Spitfire tailwheel.?

Hi Rocketeer, I’ve found my tailwheel, that’s still inflated, sadly the numbers don’t match those that you earlier mentioned. There are various letters/numbers on it, the closest to the one you referred to is AHM 222. This wheel was actually found in 1977 by my mate but it took him 7 years to eventually give it to me after much pleading, now seems that it’s not a Spitfire wheel. 😑

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By: bookman - 17th November 2010 at 19:36

Spitfire tailwheel.

Many thanks for that Rocketeer, when I can get some daylight hours to myself I’ll see if the numbers match-up.

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By: Rocketeer - 16th November 2010 at 22:04

welcome old chap…should be an AH2184 (on the hub)

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By: bookman - 16th November 2010 at 19:37

t21

This is my first post on here,just hope that I get it right. I was given a Spitfire tailwheel in 1984 by a friend who found it in a ditch on the edge of Haddenham Airfield, Buckinghamshire. This was during a land clearing job to extend the loading area. This wheel was, and still is inflated!! 1940s air ? Right now it’s at the back of my shed somewhere. I’ll dig it out and record any rim numbers.

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By: me109g4 - 14th November 2010 at 22:46

Amazes me that someone would write a book on landing gear,, but on that vein, did anyone ever write a book on German ww2 aircraft props?? I have access to a prop blade i believe to be off of either a stuka or an FW190 as well as a nose cone off a BF109g2, and i would love to be able to pin them down,,,,,,

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By: Rocketeer - 14th November 2010 at 21:58

Cheers for that. I think it is Ju88 all things considered. Those tides are fearsome! I remember beach combing in the 80s with my grandfather, finding washed up shark teeth from the Red Crag…
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By: Richard gray - 14th November 2010 at 20:27

did a He177 come down in Norfolk?

Rocketeer.
At the moment I am reading Norfolk in the second world war by Neil R Storey. Just got to chapter 4

Quote: On Saturday 21st Oct 1939 a Heinkel He 115B from 1/Kustenfliergruppe 406 crashed into the sea 5 miles off Spurn Head Yorkshire after combat with RAF Hurricanes of no 46 squadron. All the Luftwaffe crew were killed and their bodies were carried by the tide until they were washed ashore at Mundesley and Happisburgh Norfolk. They were buried on 2nd Nov 1939. End quote.

A few years ago a cargo ship somewhere in the north sea, lost several containers off its deck in rough seas, one 20ft hazardous chemical container on its trailer was washed up on the beach at Cley next the sea, Nth Norfolk.
So I am thinking that If your wheel was just found on the beach, then the aircraft may not have crashed off the Norfolk coast, but could be anywhere off the east coast of England above Norfolk.

Quote: Weds 6th Dec 1939 Heinkel (He115 float plane (2081) from 3/Kustenfliergruppe (Maritime group)506) on a mine laying mission flying across the wash to Sheringham. The Heinkel collided with the Chain Home Radiolocation mast at West Beckham, narrowly missed the Sheringham gas holder and finally crashed onto the West beach a short distance from the lifeboat house at 3.15 am. End Quote.

It goes on to say locals salvaged what they could until a guard was placed. ( The pilots seat was used in a fishing boat.) the plane was cleared up, and the petrol tanks sent to Farnborough as they were self-sealing type.

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By: Peter D Evans - 14th November 2010 at 13:03

No worries Tony, if there are any others you want to know, please do not hesitate to ask πŸ™‚

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By: Rocketeer - 14th November 2010 at 12:57

Cheers Peter
fantastic help
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By: Peter D Evans - 13th November 2010 at 22:37

My pleasure Tony… πŸ™‚

  • Bf110B – 350×135
  • Bf110C – 380×150
  • Bf110D – 465×165
  • Bf110E/F/G – 465×165

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By: Rocketeer - 13th November 2010 at 22:14

cheers Peter

highly likely Ju88
whats the size for an Me110 please?
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By: Peter D Evans - 13th November 2010 at 22:01

Hi guys…

“German Aircraft Landing Gear” by G.Sengfelder [Schiffer, 1993] has the following which rules out the He177:

  • He177A-1 – 780×260 tyre
  • He177 later versions – 875×320 tyre

The same volume lists the following types with a tail-wheel dimension of 560×200:

  • Arado Ar240
  • Focke-Wulf Fw200C (& 630×200)
  • Junkers Ju88A1-A2
  • Junkers Ju88
  • Junkers Ju188
  • Junkers Ju287

That should narrows down the types, so it should/could be possible to match these types with losses in Norfolk?

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By: Rocketeer - 13th November 2010 at 21:35

did a He177 come down in Norfolk?

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By: Sealand Tower - 13th November 2010 at 18:55

Heinkel 177 ?

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